"But if Wolverine wanted to use his claws => spider-sense comes kicking in, and Spider-Man jumps away (he has dodged more dangerous and faster stuff than his claws).
So : the fight ended in a draw, with an advantage for Spider-Man."
ummm spiderman was on bottem he wasn't jumping anywhere. lol.
and HOW CAN ANYTHING END IN A DRAW WITH THE ADVANTAGE GOING TOWARDS SOMEONE? lol hahahahahaha and you call me contradictory.
Originally posted by jinzinyes i do 😉 you just weren't smart enough to read it and figure it out....it's obvious you haven't read it. [/B]
When did you rebut it..so far you've just flooded the board with a bunch of posts..So your stating that Spider Man was fighting all out against Wolverine in that issue of MCP...lol..your joking right...
Originally posted by jinzin
"and once again..you still have managed to avoid to rebutting the 1 fight we were referring to..lol..good try though...lol..."which fight would that be? the one in your head? every fight you've brought up i've rebutted....lol
this fight...lol...
try to directly answer the question this time..lol..who had the upper hand in this battle..
http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/fantastic_four_annual/001.html
And then tell me how the hell you believe Wolverine defeated the FF in the Enemy of the state storyline...without any assistance..
Originally posted by jinzin
"But if Wolverine wanted to use his claws => spider-sense comes kicking in, and Spider-Man jumps away (he has dodged more dangerous and faster stuff than his claws).So : the fight ended in a draw, with an advantage for Spider-Man."
ummm spiderman was on bottem he wasn't jumping anywhere. lol.
and HOW CAN ANYTHING END IN A DRAW WITH THE ADVANTAGE GOING TOWARDS SOMEONE? lol hahahahahaha and you call me contradictory.
Funny guy.
I assume it's going to be a while before Jinzin replies once again..I'm sure he's busy sifting through his comic collection..looking for one issue where Spider Man got hit but managed to defeat an enemy..and then claim it as a testimony as to how Spidey will be defeated by the Trio...lol...still waiting for the rebuttal on those last two Jin...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
I assume it's going to be a while before Jinzin replies once again..I'm sure he's busy sifting through his comic collection..looking for one issue where Spider Man got hit but managed to defeat an enemy..and then claim it as a testimony as to how Spidey will be defeated by the Trio...lol...still waiting for the rebuttal on those last two Jin...
Of course, the many hundreds of times where Spider-Man was kicking True Powerhouses - a good amount of them being more dangerous than the Icon Trio together - all around the place don't count for our friend 😆
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
All of you guys just sound like your making stuff up to protect your ultra-fanboy delusions. DD, has given Spidey trouble, Fisk has given spidey trouble, Punisher's straight out beaten his ass, Wolvie's taken it to him, Now, All of a sudden he's going to walts all over three guys which on there own have a chance of beating him?
DD, Cap, Wolvie, and Fisk are all guys in peak human conditioning....while on the other hand it has pretty much always been stressed in the many descriptions of Spidey's powers that he is well above human, or that he is, if you prefer, superhuman: half-man, half-spider.
Do we really need to compare Spidey's abilities to those of Wolvie's, Caps, DD's, and Fisk's? Or would you rather go on believing that it matters not what their abilities really are but rather what illogical and inconsistent nonsense writers manage to have them pull out of their a**es once they come across opposition that outclasses them in pretty much every physical aspect? It all goes back to common sense.
For those of you just coming in..let's go ahead and logically summarize all of the arguments against Jinzin's "historical"..pictures..and include his rebuttals..lol
1. In the first post...Spider Man was "hypnotized" and was not using his Spider Sense, Agility, Webbing when attacking DD..
Jinzin's rebuttal: It doesn't matter if SM was "hypnotized" or using his Spider Sense or webbing....even though he won't be "hypnotized" and will be using all these abilities to their optimum capacity in this fictional non-continuity based scenario..
2. Spider Man once again misunderstands DD's intentions, and mistakingly tries to "subdue" him thinking he was fighting for the kingpin..notice i use the term "subdue"....lol..he was not going for the kill...or using the full extent of his abilities..if that were the case..DD could have been easily webbed up..and finished off right away..
Jinzin's response: pretty much the same as whob stated..except DD was shown to withstand an "unpulled" punch from SM..
3. Spider Man fights Wolverine in a Graveyard..trying to stop Wolverine from killing his friend "Charlie"...he avoids most of Wolverine's blows..which the same can not be said of Wolverine..in the last panel Wolverine admits that SM could kill him..if he had the guts enough to break his neck...
Jinzin's response: Wolverines..adamantium works on a molecular level..thus there is no way he could break his neck..even though Wolverine himself..as well as professor X and Marvel comics has admitted it possible to do this..lol..anyway...
4. Wolverine manages to take cocky Spider Man by surprise and stab him in the chest..after SM once again easily incapacitates Logan with the webbing..and doesn't attempt to further web him up..even though he could..(don't ask me why the hell he doesn't)
Jinzin's Response: Did you read the comic man..you have no credibality because SM was clearly trying to go for the kill against Wolverine in that scenario..lol...
5. Cap punches Wolverine in that horrible John Jameson "Man and Wolf" storyline..which was probably one of the worst Cap stories in existence....I have no idea why the hell he would think using this storyline would help his credibility out at all..
Jinzin's response: Cap can not feel pain..he almost knocked out Wolverine in that storyline...this is completely logical especially when you compare it to Wolvie not even flinching at SM's punches in the "Graveyard" story..this makes complete sense..and is in no way contradictory to the other pictures I posted...
6. Last pictorial...Spider Man attacks Wolverine..thinking he is an imposter..not knowing that he's actually facing the real Wolverine..he mentions that he will not go all out..and defend Wolvie's honor..(or something like that..) before realizing that he is indeed actually fighting the geniune article..
Jinzin's rebuttal: I've rebutted this several times..your just to dumb to realize that Spidey was once again going for the kill..that's why he doesn't attempt to web the "imposter" up..come on man..your making this to easy..lol...
There that pretty much sums up the last couple of pages in a nut shell..
However..in all of Jinzin's illogical ranting..he never once responded to the fact that Wolverine has been easily subdued by the Fantastic Four and Spider Man(refer to the previous pick of Wolvie webbed up)..while Spider Man has not..and he neglected to even respond to or read the summary..which lists panel by panel..on just how bad Spider Man made the FF look in their initial encounter..lol...
Jinzin: but I posted another pic of the Human torch taking out SM..that gotta count for something in a debate that has nothing to do with SM vs the Human torch right...and Wolverine can cut through the webbing if his hands are webbed to his ass...quit putting words into my mouth..
sure jin...sure...lol...go ahead and scan some more pictures buddy..you seem to be good at at least doing that....BWAHAHAHAHA...erhem..ha...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And one more thing.If Captain America ALMOST knocked Wolverine out, what the hell is there to stop Spiderman, who is CONSIDERABLY much stronger than Cap (By about 10 tons), from actually knocking out Wolverine?
Originally posted by who?-kid
Now THAT was a classic example of very very bad writing. I don't have a problem with CA beating Wolverine, but not like that.
That story was part of one of the worst storylines in comic books. The saddest thing about it was that it actually had about five/six parts to it. For anyone to use it as a reference..and then claim it as being a "good" story completely makes me question that individual's judgement..lol... 😆 😆
After browsing this thread for a little while I have to give props to the supporters of the trio for stretching their imaginations to give a victory scenario for the major underdogs in this match up but apart from some great scenes depicting wolverine holding his own against Spidey( whose definition of going all out does not mean trying to commit murder, obviously.) there is no denying that blows from DD Wolvie,or Cap are not enough to hurt Spidey due to his IMMENSLY SUPERIOR musculature.
If his body is tough enough to lift many tons then it would easier to punch dents in a support beam that will bend at nine tons. Wolverine is famous now and he is expected to get not just some hype but a whole lot of it. If you take away the HYPE surrounding this little mutant he gets beat brutally by the IMMENSLY SUPERIOR speed and strengh of Spider-man. Wolvie hasn't recieved any enhancements that would put him far beyond human capabilites. Spider-man started out with capabilities FAR FAR beyond what humans are limited to and has honed these SUPERHUMAN ABILITIES for many years. Believe it or not humans are very very limited compared to SUPER humans. That should be obvious if you think about it for a hot second. Someone told me that in the old superman TV show that Supes would allow crooks to shoot him while he stood there but he would duck when they threw the gun at him. That doesn't make any sense right? Well the directors probably said the same thing that the writers that depict humans hanging with Spidey say.
'Who's gonna notice and who cares if they do?' Get real. Get consistent.
Nuff Said. 😮💨