spidemans got some super speed but fifty times? not even close.....he would never be hit by streeters if this was true.....comics are inconsistant....deal with it....but lets look at some consistancy.......every one of these characters has consistantly given spiderman a run for his money on their own......all together and the bug gets squashed.
Dammit I think I'm addicted to this sh*t cause I swore I was'nt gonna post any more but I gotta say somthin about the 50 times faster. If a peak human dodges as fast as he can to the left he may clear 9-10 feet(in the comic world at least) Spider-man will clear 150 feet easy and the only way to get the distance is strength creating speed because where there is no strength there is no speed. The more strength the more speed available ( Think of pitchers and 100 mile an hour pitches) If Spider-man is one hundred times stronger than anyone in the trio and is lighter than all of them then logically he would be able to move his muscles at the very least fifty times as quickly due to having SUPER human agility as well. His frame allows him to use his STRENGH to create
SPEED without being hindered by huge bulging muscles. Spidey has credited his "Spider Speed" with saving his life and winnig his fights on numerous occasions. He has beaten Quicksilver before as well and took a barrage of super speed punches before he eventually knocked him out by stick out his arm while quicky was running around him creating a vaccuum. During this fight he also succeeded in tackling Quicksilver a feat that no one in the trio could succeed in doing believably.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Dammit I think I'm addicted to this sh*t cause I swore I was'nt gonna post any more but I gotta say somthin about the 50 times faster. If a peak human dodges as fast as he can to the left he may clear 9-10 feet(in the comic world at least) Spider-man will clear 150 feet easy and the only way to get the distance is strength creating speed because where there is no strength there is no speed. The more strength the more speed available ( Think of pitchers and 100 mile an hour pitches) If Spider-man is one hundred times stronger than anyone in the trio and is lighter than all of them then logically he would be able to move his muscles at the very least fifty times as quickly due to having SUPER human agility as well. His frame allows him to use his STRENGH to create
SPEED without being hindered by huge bulging muscles. Spidey has credited his "Spider Speed" with saving his life and winnig his fights on numerous occasions. He has beaten Quicksilver before as well and took a barrage of super speed punches before he eventually knocked him out by stick out his arm while quicky was running around him creating a vaccuum. During this fight he also succeeded in tackling Quicksilver a feat that no one in the trio could succeed in doing believably.
Spiderman DOES NOT have 50x the reaction speed or overall speed than any of these combatants.
Spiderman is said to have speed at ABOUT 15x the speed of a normal human being. That is still faster than sin, but to say that he can "clear 150 feet easy" is just stupidity. That's 15 freaking stories. Spiderman can't jump that high, nor move that fast on his best day.
These are comic books, there is no real world theory to apply. I've seen Spiderman jump 3-4 stories straight up into the air....I've never once seen him jump 15 stories high, nor have I seen him propell himself forward or horizontally that fast or far.
Also, the higher you jump, the longer gravity has an effect on you...ultimately lowering your overall ability to move.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Spiderman DOES NOT have 50x the reaction speed or overall speed than any of these combatants.Spiderman is said to have speed at ABOUT 15x the speed of a normal human being. That is still faster than sin, but to say that he can "clear 150 feet easy" is just stupidity. That's 15 freaking stories. Spiderman can't jump that high, nor move that fast on his best day.
These are comic books, there is no real world theory to apply. I've seen Spiderman jump 3-4 stories straight up into the air....I've never once seen him jump 15 stories high, nor have I seen him propell himself forward or horizontally that fast or far.
Also, the higher you jump, the longer gravity has an effect on you...ultimately lowering your overall ability to move.
Yeah you're right about the 150 feet being way off( I thought something seemed wrong with that distance) And I'll stop saying 50 x faster and say 15 x faster because that does make more sense. But 15 x faster is definitely fast enough to leave anyone who isn't even twice as fast as a peak human in the dust. Anyone care to explain how Wolvie got his enhancement that set him far beyond peak human? Oh yeah that's right it just happened with no explanation. Tomorrow Spidey may wake up with a healing factor. Humans peak or not have NO BUSINESS giving Spidey more than some exercise.
Sorry I got all offensive on the 150 ft dealy....I was just thinking of some of my favorite roller coasters and I was like "No way Spidey could just straight to the top of that!"
Spiderman is supposed to be 15x the speed of a "normal" or "average" human, which is still quite significantly faster than the trio, but I think everyone...myself included at one point....is guilty of merely labeling these Superhereoes as "peak humans."
I asked the question earlier, and I'll ask the question again....what is "peak human"?
I've seen Daredevil dance around Venom. I've seen Wolverine and Captain America take a licking from stronger opponents than Spiderman only to get back up. I've seen all three of them do things that human beings would never be capable of accomplishing, which in my mind makes them Superheroes....yet we all knock them down to "peak human" when perhaps being peak human isn't all that bad.
Originally posted by jinzinNot if he isn't holding back which I'm almost positive he was because they're still alive after those one on ones. And we all deal with the inconsistencies but I won't support any arguments based on ones that are so obvious that you lol the first time you read it. For example when wolverine beat lobo. If I used that fight to support an argument that wolverine could beat Superman that means I must think that no one knows what lobo can do( And I guess a lot of people didn't because Wolvie got voted to win so he did. A pure sellout and disgrace and it's happening once again) Getting back to the subject if you are aware of the fact that Spidey can cripple DD or Cap with one strike, just one strike, and you're aware of the fact that not even wolverine can match spideys jumps swings or webbing attacks please explain how these three can put the advantages on their side while spidey is NOT HOLDING BACK. IF SPIDEY IS HOLDING BACK AGAINST THESE THREE WHILE THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM HE WILL BE KILLED ALMOST DEFINITELY
spidemans got some super speed but fifty times? not even close.....he would never be hit by streeters if this was true.....comics are inconsistant....deal with it....but lets look at some consistancy.......every one of these characters has consistantly given spiderman a run for his money on their own......all together and the bug gets squashed.
"you are aware of the fact that Spidey can cripple DD or Cap with one strike, just one strike,"
i've never admitted to this...in fact I've been portesting against this theory......DD took several swats from the hulk and survived.....spiderman isn't anywhere near that kind of strength....saying he'd put out cap and dd permenantly is kinda ignorant of what all of these characters have been through in the past.
Wolverine vs. lobo fight was fan voted.....but we never saw what happened under that counter wolvie could have been stabbing himin the nut sack repeatidly (that's my personal theory) wolverine was even capible of stabbing hulk in the nuts when he had bone claws.....
but the point is that fight and this fight have nothing to do with eachother....no where in their fights with spidey does it ever say the trio is going all out......so saying that spiderman would win because he wasn't going all out on them before is nothing but speculation....with no facts to support it....On the other hand Spiderman admitedly said he was giving wolverine everyhing he had and he could barely stand by the end of the fight (cause his body was so exhausted etc..) none of the fights in the comics I presented where fan voted and 3 of them even came out of spiderman titles......using the marvel vs. dc argument is irrelivant.
Are you aware of Spidey's ability to rend steel with his bare hands? If he can do that then he is more than capable of striking Cap or Daredevils heads' hard enough to kill them. Remember Spidey is the only one here who has spider sense so DD an Cap will catch a bone shattering blow eventually. Wolverine is the only comp here and how is he going to survive getting knocked around visciously? Spidey's idea of giving it all he has means nothing when he's also trying AS HARD AS HE CAN not to kill. That has to be harder than just killing.
If Spidey can box wolverines ears as hard as he can what would happen?
Originally posted by jinzin
"These characters doing anything above their set limits without an indication of any upgrade is grade-A CRAP."yep....stick to the crap writing argument...it's all you got.
They are STILL peak humans, and until an upgrade indicates that physically they are now moreso, it will stay that way.
"They are STILL peak humans, and until an upgrade indicates that physically they are now moreso, it will stay that way."
read links argument to "what's a peak human?" We can all agree these guys have all taken much more punishment than an normal person ever could.....you say you back up your argument with info...I back mine up with facts and pics to support those facts.....all of these guys give spidey a hard time by theselves....he doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
But what the hell, here's a response anyway.
Crap. No upgrades to indicate that he's any level above bench pressing about 800lbs or more, therefore making him nowhere near strong enough to pull away from a stringy, sticky material which strength equals that of steel cables, not to mention that the stuff was clinging to his arms, upper body, and waist.
And seriously, Wolvie faster than the spider sense? The guy has speed a few steps above an athelete. The spider sense detects the direction of oncoming bullets and lasers coming from multiple angles around Spidey. Please don't tell me you think that Wolvie is faster than that.
Originally posted by jinzin
"They are STILL peak humans, and until an upgrade indicates that physically they are now moreso, it will stay that way."read links argument to "what's a peak human?" We can all agree these guys have all taken much more punishment than an normal person ever could.....you say you back up your argument with info...I back mine up with facts and pics to support those facts.....all of these guys give spidey a hard time by theselves....he doesn't stand a chance.
The peak, physically, of what we humans in general can accomplish.
And of course I can agree that a peak human can take more punishment than your average joe, but not by redicoulous amounts. Like, taking swats from guys stronger than Spidey? Nope. Look at Mike Tyson, the guy, in his day, was prohibited from some fights because he was simply too much for his opponents. But then look at his fight with Buster Douglas, he was knocked down and out from the fight. You see, even the strongest of humans have human vulenerabilities (and while guys like DD and Cap are a good few steps above Mike in terms of strength, they're still in a human's physical condition). They're simply vulnerable to quite a bit of attacks that effect the average human, they may take it better, but only to a short extent.
Originally posted by jinzin
"there's no anticipating
he has more than enough with him to wrap up 3 people
there either just standing there and spidey makes the first move
or there all coming at him
or they surprise attack him
either way, he can web up 2 of them with no problem"lol so now your'e gonna limit their fighting ability....why couldn't they anticipate for spidey's attack.....he can run out of webbing...then they jump himand he's limited to having to fight them h2h...something every member of the trio can do better than spidey....you're giving him the benifit of the doubt, saying that he will be able to web them up no questions asked.
"Damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provide fact after fact with pages and pages of proof, and these wanton miscreants just keep at it. It's a damn shame, but i bet a top notch psychiatrist could make a fortune writing about this "hyper fanboy delusion."
hehehe lol.
im not limiting anything except their own limitations. they cold anticipate at least a minute in advance and spidey will be more than able to do exactly what i just said.
and how are they gonna jump him with his spidey sence? even if he was limited to hand to hand combat he would win it's just a fact. the times when they come close to beating him is just terrible writing. can you please just stop and think about that concept for a minute. i dont know why straw nilla has to keep repeating himself. they are HUMAN strength level and spidey is A LOT MORE THAN HUMAN in all physical aspects except for maybe bones and sence of hearing and smell which dont really matter here.
"Are you aware that in your little link there Spidey *stood* in one spot and allowed Wolvie to lunge at him apparently "faster" than the spider sense could detect him doing so?"
hahaha where the hell does it say that? okay in your pic wolverine just allowed spiderman to web him up......see how ridiculous that sounds?
"Crap. No upgrades to indicate that he's any level above bench pressing about 800lbs or more, therefore making him nowhere near strong enough to pull away from a stringy, sticky material which strength equals that of steel cables, not to mention that the stuff was clinging to his arms, upper body, and waist."
well appearantely he pulled away from the wall so fast the webbing didn't have enough time to adhere.
"And of course I can agree that a peak human can take more punishment than your average joe, but not by redicoulous amounts. Like, taking swats from guys stronger than Spidey?"
dude seriously I'm sick of posting pics and proving you guys wrong go read Daredevil 163 daredevil survies several hulk swats.....jeeesh!
"and how are they gonna jump him with his spidey sence? even if he was limited to hand to hand combat he would win it's just a fact. the times when they come close to beating him is just terrible writing. can you please just stop and think about that concept for a minute. i dont know why straw nilla has to keep repeating himself. they are HUMAN strength level and spidey is A LOT MORE THAN HUMAN in all physical aspects except for maybe bones and sence of hearing and smell which dont really matter here."
actually the bone density does matter...how else are they gonna survive spidey's punches.....and matts sense of hearing is how they're gonna be able to tell when spidey's about to make a move....
second....I'll never concede to the crap writing argument...worst way to debate...EVER.
third, it's not a fact.....the FACT is that all of these guys have taken it to spidey.....He's never laid all of them out in one fight...he's never laid all of em out period.......how is that a fact? it not...Just speculation.