Originally posted by jinzin
"and you're wrong".....
How? DAREDEVIL ALREADY TOOK A FULL ON PUNCH FROM SPIDEY WHO WASN'T HOLDING BACK HIS PUNCHES.......and daredevil's the weakest person in terms of durability on the trio's team...he's also taken shots from the hulk (several for that matter) SPIDEY is no where near as strong as the hulk....not on his best day.
Bravo!!!! I love that issue where he fights the Hulk and he bounced around him and punched him several times. But that bastard reporter nearly told everyone Matt's secret identity in the next comic!
Originally posted by jinzin
"Are you aware that in your little link there Spidey *stood* in one spot and allowed Wolvie to lunge at him apparently "faster" than the spider sense could detect him doing so?"hahaha where the hell does it say that? okay in your pic wolverine just allowed spiderman to web him up......see how ridiculous that sounds?
"Crap. No upgrades to indicate that he's any level above bench pressing about 800lbs or more, therefore making him nowhere near strong enough to pull away from a stringy, sticky material which strength equals that of steel cables, not to mention that the stuff was clinging to his arms, upper body, and waist."
well appearantely he pulled away from the wall so fast the webbing didn't have enough time to adhere.
"And of course I can agree that a peak human can take more punishment than your average joe, but not by redicoulous amounts. Like, taking swats from guys stronger than Spidey?"
dude seriously I'm sick of posting pics and proving you guys wrong go read Daredevil 163 daredevil survies several hulk swats.....jeeesh!
"and how are they gonna jump him with his spidey sence? even if he was limited to hand to hand combat he would win it's just a fact. the times when they come close to beating him is just terrible writing. can you please just stop and think about that concept for a minute. i dont know why straw nilla has to keep repeating himself. they are HUMAN strength level and spidey is A LOT MORE THAN HUMAN in all physical aspects except for maybe bones and sence of hearing and smell which dont really matter here."
actually the bone density does matter...how else are they gonna survive spidey's punches.....and matts sense of hearing is how they're gonna be able to tell when spidey's about to make a move....
second....I'll never concede to the crap writing argument...worst way to debate...EVER.
third, it's not a fact.....the FACT is that all of these guys have taken it to spidey.....He's never laid all of them out in one fight...he's never laid all of em out period.......how is that a fact? it not...Just speculation.
And the webbing did make contact on Wolvie's skin, Wolvie moving to fast for the webbing to adhere once it came at him from all sides?! Forget all the other stuff you've posted, for now, this has to be the most redicoulous thing I've ever read from any of your posts. If he had to "pull" away from the wall, then he was obviously STUCK THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
And I'm sick of telling you that an upgrade was never indicated to have increased DD's musculature to that of which he could take several swats from Hulk, or Spidey for that matter. Aside from the superhuman senses (which still are not as good as pre-cog), there's really nothing about DD that isn't human. Go ahead and recite your little excerpts from comics where DD "took" swats from the likes of the Hulk and unpulled punches from the likes of Spidey, but untill there is any indication of an upgrade he's still a peak human making him human in the first place.
And your point of how else will DD or Cap survive one of Spidey's unpulled punches....it's simple: they won't. They are STILL human, the other stuff they did that's just beyond human is beyond hype. It's CIS. Sure, I can see them taking a bullet or two in the arms and/or legs and still feeling well enough to walk away, most average humans could probably do this, hey, maybe they can do more. But as far as the superhuman feats go, it's just not fact. They should be hospitalized if they're hit by a car much moreso in the case of several swats from the Hulk. Why? Because where in your precious issue where DD takes these swats from Hulk does it say that: "DareDevil's superhuman durability and willpower allowed him to compensate to the Hulk's attacks?" Where? I'll tell you where, nowhere. Because they can't. It's COMMON SENSE. I mean, Spidey wouldn't have been confirmed as a superhuman himself if it weren't for the comics doing so. You could've just as easily called Spidey punching through cement walls crap if it were not confirmed as being in his physical power to do so. In this case, DD, Cap, and Wolvie are not confirmed of being physically capable of doing anything to a cement wall after they've pounded and pounded at one repeatedly. They were classified of being at the physical peak of human capability.
And no matter how you try to toy with that fact, until someone who has the power to do so actually changes it up, it won't change. And while DD's senses are helpful in noting when Spidey's going to attack, they can't do much to stop Spidey from doing it. And there's alot more to the argument of Cap and DD both being human (as well as Wolvie being in a peak human's condiition) than simply saying it's crap writing, that's just something you won't accept. And a superhuman with the upper hand in pretty much every physical aspect over his opposition, including the fact that he has PRE-COG does nothing to bring anything to the table just because a group of characters' abilities were overhyped to fit the interest of the reader? Now THERE'S the worst way to debate.
nice retort...but once again you contradict yourself.....how do we know spidey is really fast? cause he's shown his capability of speed in the comics....how do we know he has a spidersense?....same thing.....How do we know that DD can take a full on punch from spiderman and get back up?.....I'll let you figure that one out on your own.....NOW THOSE ARE FACTS.......saying DD can't take a swat from the hulk cause it's not a fact is absurd....especially since he has.....more than once!
"And the webbing did make contact on Wolvie's skin, Wolvie moving to fast for the webbing to adhere once it came at him from all sides?! Forget all the other stuff you've posted, for now, this has to be the most redicoulous thing I've ever read from any of your posts. If he had to "pull" away from the wall, then he was obviously STUCK THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!"
the force of the webbing sent his hands back....doesn't mean it adhered fast enough to stick him to the wall....it's a simple concept....it's like gallons of wet superglue spashing you against a wall...but if you're fast enough you can pull away before it has time to make you stuck there....and as far as:
"Wolvie didn't allow Spidey to web him up to any degree, Spidey leaped over his head and webbed him down. And I never said anything about the writer commenting on Spidey's standing there, doesn't mean that he didn't"
I'm not saying he did......you missed the point once again.....(maybe I should start mapping out pictures for your brains to comprehend)
but as far as spidey standing around....the writers didn't imply it....AND if you just look at the pic spidey's in midair when logan nails him.....midair= jumping...not standing around...not stationary....you figure it out.
"It's COMMON SENSE"
dude....you ARE aware we're discussing comics right?
"And a superhuman with the upper hand in pretty much every physical aspect over his opposition, including the fact that he has PRE-COG does nothing to bring anything to the table just because a group of characters' abilities were overhyped to fit the interest of the reader? Now THERE'S the worst way to debate."
overhyped????? and you think spidey's supposed to be what?...an underdog? hahaha see the thing is everytime spidey takes it to someone he has nooooooo buisness fighting......it's cause you guys think spiderman rose to the occasion....but anytime someone else takes it to spidey or when any of these trio members take down someone out of their league it's bad writing......you guys are the MASTERS OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD......congrats.lol
Originally posted by jinzin
nice retort...but once again you contradict yourself.....how do we know spidey is really fast? cause he's shown his capability of speed in the comics....how do we know he has a spidersense?....same thing.....How do we know that DD can take a full on punch from spiderman and get back up?.....I'll let you figure that one out on your own.....NOW THOSE ARE FACTS.......saying DD can't take a swat from the hulk cause it's not a fact is absurd....especially since he has.....more than once!"And the webbing did make contact on Wolvie's skin, Wolvie moving to fast for the webbing to adhere once it came at him from all sides?! Forget all the other stuff you've posted, for now, this has to be the most redicoulous thing I've ever read from any of your posts. If he had to "pull" away from the wall, then he was obviously STUCK THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!"
the force of the webbing sent his hands back....doesn't mean it adhered fast enough to stick him to the wall....it's a simple concept....it's like gallons of wet superglue spashing you against a wall...but if you're fast enough you can pull away before it has time to make you stuck there....and as far as:
"Wolvie didn't allow Spidey to web him up to any degree, Spidey leaped over his head and webbed him down. And I never said anything about the writer commenting on Spidey's standing there, doesn't mean that he didn't"
I'm not saying he did......you missed the point once again.....(maybe I should start mapping out pictures for your brains to comprehend)
but as far as spidey standing around....the writers didn't imply it....AND if you just look at the pic spidey's in midair when logan nails him.....midair= jumping...not standing around...not stationary....you figure it out."It's COMMON SENSE"
dude....you ARE aware we're discussing comics right?
"And a superhuman with the upper hand in pretty much every physical aspect over his opposition, including the fact that he has PRE-COG does nothing to bring anything to the table just because a group of characters' abilities were overhyped to fit the interest of the reader? Now THERE'S the worst way to debate."
overhyped????? and you think spidey's supposed to be what?...an underdog? hahaha see the thing is everytime spidey takes it to someone he has nooooooo buisness fighting......it's cause you guys think spiderman rose to the occasion....but anytime someone else takes it to spidey or when any of these trio members take down someone out of their league it's bad writing......you guys are the MASTERS OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD......congrats.lol
Spidey wins. And you can argue whatever the f**k you want about it.
Originally posted by jinzin
"whether it be sensical or not."OH NONONO either you're debate the relevance of common sense or you're not...you can't it both ways!
Virtually every hero/villain's origin branches off from something that doesn't make sense, it gives the hero/villain their abilities and does nothing else to influence it except for an upgrade or two on down the line. The common sense related to their origin and the common sense related to their abilties are two different things.
The abilities of a character are constant, period.
Originally posted by jinzin
"I don't have to take this, why argue over something that I know is true?'
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sounds like denial to me.
I've been the one arguing that DD, Cap, and Wolvie are not superhumans simply because their abilties were not indicated to be of a superhuman level (aside from DD's superhuman senses which are still not as good as pre-cog) in comics or the multiple internet bios flying here and there.
You've been arguing that all that doesn't matter.