<<So there's no chance in hell he's so popular because he's beaten these characters? Tell me leonidas, do you assume that if you take an umbrella outside, it will surely rain?>>
he never started beating these types of guys regularly until after his population eruption. i really don't get what you're arguing with me about. fans clamor for different types of material from wolvie than they do from spidey. spidey fans expect spidey to struggle and ultimately prevail - to be the hero. wolvie fans expect wolvie to carve everyone up and battle killers. they are what they are BECAUSE of the fan bases they have generated. spidey has and always will generate sympathy - wolvie, not even close. that's what fans expect, that's what they get. you seem to think that this doesn't play an issue in the way things are written. i said a long time ago that it can't affect the way results occur in books, but it does help explain why some of the apparently contradictory results happen as they do. it's really not that hard a concept.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<So there's no chance in hell he's so popular because he's beaten these characters? Tell me leonidas, do you assume that if you take an umbrella outside, it will surely rain?>>he never started beating these types of guys regularly until after his population eruption.
For craps sake man, his first fight and appearance are in a Hulk book against the Hulk.
Originally posted by leonidas
i really don't get what you're arguing with me about. fans clamor for different types of material from wolvie than they do from spidey. spidey fans expect spidey to struggle and ultimately prevail - to be the hero. wolvie fans expect wolvie to carve everyone up and battle killers. they are what they are BECAUSE of the fan bases they have generated. spidey has and always will generate sympathy - wolvie, not even close. that's what fans expect, that's what they get. you seem to think that this doesn't play an issue in the way things are written. i said a long time ago that it can't affect the way results occur in books, but it does help explain why some of the apparently contradictory results happen as they do. it's really not that hard a concept.
If that's what you gotta keep telling yourself to sleep at night you go right on man.
<<For craps sake man, his first fight and appearance are in a Hulk book against the Hulk.>.
but he never beat him. just look back at the evolution of the characters. my point is evident and has about 20 years worth of proof in their establishment to back it up. its not a knock against anyone (why the explosion of cosmic powers and power-ups? fans want it. why does surfer battle thanos and tyrant? fans want it) how you deny this very obvious fact is something i don't understand. but i do sleep well at night, thanks.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Then why hasn't he?Oh that's right, I remember that comic now, the one were it says that spidey is skilled at "every kind" of combat. yeah that's right, he fought that one guy and he started with a boxer's upper-cut, rounded him up with hap ki do kick and ended him with a judo sweep... No wait, I made that up, just like you must have.
If you gave Cap 20x his strength against spidey he would kill spidey with one hit even if he hit him in the leg.
Sorry, two of those guys have already taken that punch and no such thing has happened. And your spidey analagy really makes no sense.
Bios are ok, but have you ever tried reading a comic?
I'm not sure but I think a few of them have survived a moving car. At least wolvie for sure.
That third part's just foolish, He can't because none of these characters will let him.
Cap's been smashed by much more than spidey and he's still just fine.
Gee mister pot, don't get angry, I'm just a kettle.
So there's no chance in hell he's so popular because he's beaten these characters? Tell me leonidas, do you assume that if you take an umbrella outside, it will surely rain?
So which arguements are politics and stats on the back of trading cards (which buy the way aren't even stacked against a single character here,) to hell with what actually happens in the comics eh?
And now you're argueing snowballs don't melt in hell, ok whatever.
Nobody lets someone whip them they don't have a choice and since Spidey is 15x as strong as a gorrila then any feat of strength that one performs would be fifteen times easier for Spidey (elementary math man) Do you understand multiplacation? Here's a hint.. 2x2=4 doesn't mean 2x3=5. 😉 does that help you understand?
Just because they're comic book characters doesn't mean that no logic applies. (Duhh) Cap has not taken Spidey level punishment. I've stated before that spidey took a blow while lying still from the Lizard, and the Lizard was trying to kill him. Seconds later he took a tail swat to the face on purpose in an attempt to trick his friend.
Spidey has retained consciousness after recieving repeated blows from doc ock while pinned and broke the hold to beat ock. None of these guy's except Cap can strike as hard and none as fast as ock. Also none of these guy's would retain consciousness from one blow, while pinned from ock.
You obviously just underestimate Spider-man and I'm glad that I'm not as biased. You may think I am but I'm not because I was thinking about it earlier and Batman would also stand a very good chance of beating all of these guys as well. Two of them would be helpless against a sonic grenade to the point of uselessness and Cap is a warrior true, but would fall to the combination of skills and tricks. All these guys are somewhat overated, honestly. Spider-man and Batman are truly the sh*t and Spider-man is equal to the Bat except for the formal training (Spidey's is experience based), money(gadgets) and physical capabilities (where Spidey is far superior)
These guy's guts only have the protection that their fans give them and sorry but that's 100% more than what their creator's gave them. Do creator's definitions trump fan's and writer's definitions? YEAH!
P.S. Batman would notice Wolverine's feral tendencies and deduce that sonics might be effective. (for anyone who was wondering how Batman would know to use sonics)
Originally posted by The MISTER😮💨
Spidey has definitely fought against every type of combatant from Firelord, to Kingpin, to White Tiger, and countless other unique inhuman styles. does that count for being skilled in every form of combat? He has been beaten before but no character hasn't had a loss. You can't note super durability for these guys and until you do they don't have ANY in this fight.Nobody lets someone whip them they don't have a choice and since Spidey is 15x as strong as a gorrila then any feat of strength that one performs would be fifteen times easier for Spidey (elementary math man) Do you understand multiplacation? Here's a hint.. 2x2=4 doesn't mean 2x3=5. 😉 does that help you understand?
Just because they're comic book characters doesn't mean that no logic applies. (Duhh) Cap has not taken Spidey level punishment. I've stated before that spidey took a blow while lying still from the Lizard, and the Lizard was trying to kill him. Seconds later he took a tail swat to the face on purpose in an attempt to trick his friend.
P.S. Batman would notice wolverine's feral tendencies and deduce that he may be sensitive to sound. ( for anyone who was wondering how he'd think to use a sonic weapon.)
Spidey has retained consciousness after recieving repeated blows from doc ock while pinned and broke the hold to beat ock. None of these guy's except Cap can strike as hard and none as fast as ock. Also none of these guy's would retain consciousness from one blow, while pinned from ock.You obviously just underestimate Spider-man and I'm glad that I'm not as biased. You may think I am but I'm not because I was thinking about it earlier and Batman would also stand a very good chance of beating all of these guys as well. Two of them would be helpless against a sonic grenade to the point of uselessness and Cap is a warrior true, but would fall to the combination of skills and tricks. All these guys are somewhat overated, honestly. Spider-man and Batman are truly the sh*t and Spider-man is equal to the Bat except for the formal training (Spidey's is experience based), money(gadgets) and physical capabilities (where Spidey is far superior)
These guy's guts only have the protection that their fans give them and sorry but that's 100% more than what their creator's gave them. Do creator's definitions trump fan's and writer's definitions? YEAH!
LOL
Originally posted by ill f8😆 😆 😆
I guess you never read the comic where Captain America drinks the water of lazarus by accident and is endowed with spidey-level strength. He attacks spiderman and spiderman dodges easily and says to himself outloud "huh? Kinda odd that you were more of a match for me before you became superstrong"
Ok this has gone on a lot longer than I realized ( I just scanned the posts for a while) so I'm out for a while after this. The truth is that Spider-man is fully capable of striking with enough force to tear through all the flesh and blood and bone's of creature's that are built stronger than humans ( any creature ) because he has shown the ability to do so on inanimate object's and robots that are denser than flesh and bone with enough force to do so. Bulletproofing is as useless against him as it is from 50 cal. bullets. Spider-man holds back and makes people laugh but he is capable of literaly splattering anyone human. He may never do that( It would make his comics rated M ). But it's a little silly thinking that he can't treat a person's head like a watermelon. A big enough,strong enough martial-artist could do that. The trio wants to fight Spidey with a handicapp because they know what will happen if they don't. Especially Cap.
Spidey slaughters all three then turns himself in.
And as for that garbage about training making such a huge difference I defer to that post from bignasty about the old man. I bet that little old man would have got his as up if they'd of let about three tiger's jump at him at the same time. 😠 😒 🙂 😄
<<Hm, let me think... aren't ALL heroes meant to take down things bigger and stronger than them ?>>
ya know, whokid, you may be right, but ya know now i understand WHY spidey can't beat wolvie - wolvie is SMALLER and weaker than him!! damn, all that time merc and jinzin spent trying to say wolvie would kill spidey, and here you go and prove it to me in one sentence! leave it to a spidey fan . . .
hahahah. 🙂
dude since we're arguing semantics and nearly irrelivant points altogether ....I just want to point out that wolverines are capible of bringing down bears on a regular basis......and quick enough to catch deer....who are supposedly faster runners......theres a reason the hairy mutant has his name......
second......on a more relivant note.....captain america depending on what suit he is wearing......may be wearing a suit capible of taking multiple bullet shots...meaning it's definitely gonna soften up spidey's punches......
third....mister you're whole argument seems to be on spiderman hitting them....the thing is.....spiderman punches on wolverine won't work.....he's tried it....a lot.......A LOT.....it doesn't work.....
daredevil can dodge spidey's punches with ease.....unless you can bring up factual evidence that spiderman's indeed faster than bullseye projectiles....I will not discuss this further....
and last...aside from caps costume that absorbs impact....cap haas easily been able to just lift his sheild in the presence of spiderman's punches........easily......no reason spidey should lay a finger on two of these guys and all he's doing is hurtin his hands on the third......things aren't looking up for peterville