Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Do you not believe that Spiderman has much experience? I think he's fought quite enough enemies and been around long enough to have mad experience. As have the Trio, that I'm not arguing. Technically though, Spidey was around some 20 or so years before Wolverine.

Resourcefullness? Hell, you might as well give that category to Spiderman. That's what he does.

Will power? All of them have insane will power. That's another thing that they do. They persevere. They don't back down or give up. They are all equal in this category.

I'm not blasting you or anything, but did you not consider the same stat values for Spiderman?

Captain america and Wolvie dwarve spidey in experience. Wolvie has an estimated 100 years.

DD and Cap dwarve Spidey in resourcefulness.

You're probably right on the willpower but you're kinda missing the point, all i'm saying is that stat sights and trading cards are poor representations of what a hero is truly capable of.

No one says stats are all there are to a character. But they help provide evidence to build cases

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Captain america and Wolvie dwarve spidey in experience. Wolvie has an estimated 100 years.

DD and Cap dwarve Spidey in resourcefulness.

You're probably right on the willpower but you're kinda missing the point, all i'm saying is that stat sights and trading cards are poor representations of what a hero is truly capable of.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Captain america and Wolvie dwarve spidey in experience. Wolvie has an estimated 100 years.

DD and Cap dwarve Spidey in resourcefulness.

You're probably right on the willpower but you're kinda missing the point, all i'm saying is that stat sights and trading cards are poor representations of what a hero is truly capable of.

Believe me, I'm not basing any argument that I make on cards. I don't own and have ever owned any of these cards, so I'm not even really sure exactly what they say.

I base my opinions on the comics, on their histories (no matter how inconstistant. I try to find a median in there somewhere), their personalities, and yes (because it's necessary), their stats as well. All of that together really makes the comic book character.

agreed metalmax....totally and utterly agreed.......I do this too but sometimes the stats are just taken out of control.....something else I don't get is that everyone seems to be thinking the guys fighting in this fight are drones......not the characters we've come to love...spiderman out for the kill or not....his head is still as much of a disadvantage as anyone of these guys humanity....but the way we're discussing it, it's like the trio guys as they are....against an all powerful spiderman who cares not for what his mind says blah blah blah....if you guys wanted to debate stats make a trio vs. spidey stats thread somewhere else.......if you want to debate the characters...than do that HERE

Originally posted by JWangSDC
No one says stats are all there are to a character. But they help provide evidence to build cases

Actually a few have insisted that statistically spiderman wins without a doubt.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Believe me, I'm not basing any argument that I make on cards. I don't own and have ever owned any of these cards, so I'm not even really sure exactly what they say.

I base my opinions on the comics, on their histories (no matter how inconstistant. I try to find a median in there somewhere), their personalities, and yes (because it's necessary), their stats as well. All of that together really makes the comic book character.

Then why are you ignoring the part of the history where two of these characters have already shown they can deal with Spiderman? And why have you chosen to ignore that all these characters have at least 1 stat that is much higher than spideys (namely fighting.)

you're misunderstanding me!!!!
i know theory flaters!
and experiment falters!

in PLAIN THEORY (as ludacris as it may seem to some of you) spider-man, with out a doubt, wins.

but in terms of GATHERING EVIDENCE other than what is just in stats, it is much much much harder to say because the trio has accomplished things defying their stats! they do have more experience combined. but somebody who's knows himself from head to know wont be a match for someone that outclasses him that much IN TERMS OF STATS ONLY.

as asinine as this logic may seem to you, do you agree that spider-man wins in those terms?

this doesnt mean spidey wins this battle!!!

please do not argue to about the logic's legitimacy. i understand where the logic may have its flaws! i am only asking if you agree using these set of rules, a sidetrack if you will.

Woah woah there cowboy. Some one took what you said and I argued against them. I understand your point.

oh whoops sorry didnt notice

Somebody please explain why Spider-man cannot cause severe internal bleeding to any of these guys with a punch or a kick. No fan of Spider-man is going to ever say that "That's impossible" because he can definitely hit hard enough to permanently injure the peak human. However none of the three should be given excess durability for this battle because their creators NEVER gave them any more durability than A human being at his peak and apart from his bones Wolverine falls into this category as well. Anything depicting otherwise doesn't apply to this fight because it shows an example of characters doing things that they shouldn't ever be capable of doing. Similar to Spidey's fight with Hulk where Spider-man did something that he could NEVER do. KO the hulk.
Spidey isn't capable of that is he? Would anyone who knows both characters disagree with that under any circumstance? Sometimes characters do things that are complete bullsh*t but anyone who knows the character well can tell which is which! If it's garbage but you like it, that doesn't change the fact that it's garbage.

Spidey wins, But it won't be a cakewalk. 😮‍💨

<<Spidey wins, But it won't be a cakewalk>.

damn, mister! where were you like a week ago on the spidey v wolverine thread? heheh

all 3 of them though? that's a tall order. logically (and we've seen where logic can sometimes lead) should he be CAPABLE of it? i'll grant you that as true. in practical terms though, i doubt you'd ever see him do it in a book if the battle were drawn. he'd give them hell though and take out at least a couple them.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Spidey wins, But it won't be a cakewalk>.

damn, mister! where were you like a week ago on the spidey v wolverine thread? heheh

all 3 of them though? that's a tall order. logically (and we've seen where logic can sometimes lead) should he be CAPABLE of it? i'll grant you that as true. in practical terms though, i doubt you'd ever see him do it in a book if the battle were drawn. he'd give them hell though and take out at least a couple them.

That's what gets me about some of these threads. Sometimes they seem like a bunch of guys from marvel and dc trying to make a crossover and it shouldn't be. We aren't making a book here we're debating who would win in battles where bias won't be permitted. Not writer bias or fan bias.

how is bias permitted when like 75% of my examples came from spidey books...even the spiderman wolverine comic was written by a spiderman writer....you tell me where the bias would most likely lie...I just think those writer shave a lot more respect for the capbilities of the heroes than you guys do sometimes....no offense....but really.

<<I just think those writer shave a lot more respect for the capbilities of the heroes than you guys do sometimes....no offense....but really.>>

none taken, but actually, i think it has more to do with fan support than logic or 'respect' for a character's abilities. the fans made wolverine what he is today, not the writers, (well, i suppose the miller series (can't recall the writer) had something to do with his GETTING popular) not his 'abilities'. i think that's why i've always disliked wolverine - the fans made him and give him more credit than, in my opinion, he deserves. that in turn forces writers to give him that same credit otherwise he would be disappointing to fans, and we can't have that. thanos has grown in much the same way, as have others.

when spiderman and wolvie stalemated eachother in the graveyard...it was before wolverine's pop culture icon status took off....I get you're point but spiderman's book would be discontinued if he wasn't popular....and he very well might be dead like so many bombs before him.....i get what your saying and no offense again but dismissing characters and their feats because of poularity isn't that great of an argument....if hurts as much as it helps.

i disagree. popularity plays a large part, (though certainly not the ONLY part) i think. it allows writers to take heroes AND villains, (ie the evolution of sabertooth) to places they normally wouldn't be able to go because they shouldn't be capable of it. but fans WANT to see that, want to see their favourites challenged and win in situations they shouldn't. and wolverine's pop status began with miller's limited series ages ago and has been rising ever since. don't kid yourself - he was HUGE well before that one-shot.

not bigger than spidey...which is what i'm thinking your trying to imply....

out of the two chracters....who's appeared in more comics? had more series limited/ongoing or other? had more crossovers? etc etc.....between the two there's no comparison.....spiderman wins a popularity contest by farrrr..

Does everyone pro-Spidey keep argueing less and less points and more and more politics and should-be's? Or is it just me?

You guys can't even prove he can beat one of these characters, how the hell is he gonna take all three?

they don't know.....but as long as he's spiderman they don't need oh say...an ACTUAL SOUND REASON......!

a sound reason - speaking of what SHOULD be based on characters and stats - he's WAYYY stronger than any of them (all at or about peak human, spidey 20-25X stronger), he is WAYYY faster than any of them (all about peak human/olympic level, spidey superhuman), spidey sense, long range weapons that only wolverine has a chance to deal with, has defeated countless foes tougher than any one of them, (ie defeated the sinister 6 by himself - and i think the sinister 6 could beat these 3 combined though it'd be a great battle).

but you'll argue that spidey isn't faster, and some other stuff about how they've beaten him one on one because i (and others) are discrediting their individual abilities and because wolvies skeleton is unbreakable 🙂 eh. whatever. i did say he wouldn't beat them all. i said based on stats he is CAPABLE of beating them all. and if you think politics DOESN'T play a part in all of this, you, my friend, are losing it. spidey doesn't need to be MORE popular. wolvie just has to be as popular as he is. if he wasn't do you REALLY think we'd be having this discussion? wolvie would have fallen by the way side with nomad and countless others like him. i also said popularity doesn't detract from practical/in-book results - they just help explain them.

Originally posted by jinzin
they don't know.....but as long as he's spiderman they don't need oh say...an ACTUAL SOUND REASON......!