Could god challenge himself?

Originally posted by peejayd
* albeit, you all seem so generalize all religious organizations, whereas your science got flaws on itself... the earth was believed to be flat was something science accepted back then... but now science proved it otherwise... learn your history, dude... science accepted it back then, don't blame it on religion...

* another thing, if the Big Bang & Evolution was supposed to be factual, how come they are still theories? theories that you - a science nutcase - believe in... how's that? 😉

Dude religious organizations PERSECUTED scientists and people who beleived the Earth was round, then for people who beleived that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, THEN for people who beleived the SUN wasn't the center of the Universe.

Don't blame religion? HA ! Hellz yeah i blame religion.

I blame religion for lotsa $@#$ like Salem Witch Trials for example....

Big Bang and Evolution still theories? The fact that they are EVEN accepted theories means there are loads and loads of evidense to back them up.

Supposedly FACTUAL ? Because there is MASSIVE physical evidence to back this up.....backed up by FACTS not fairy tales.

There is soo much more scientific evidence to back up Theories than there are historical or physical evidense to back up your religion.

Sorry bro....that simple.

* it wasn't accepted by science back then? okay... then, theories... if there were massive evidence, why remain a theory? 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* it wasn't accepted by science back then? okay... then, theories... if there were massive evidence, why remain a theory? 😉

AHAHAHAHA...omg that was your best SHOT ?

Sorry bro, this answer fails....👇

Religion persecuted scientists for trying to prove what was true, what was newly discovered to be true. You never countered that argument, probly cuz u cant !

It remains a Theory because by international standards MORE evidense is needed before it be claimed as total fact.

See peejayd, unlike religion where you BLINDLY accept something as true, and DO NOT question it....WE SCIENCE NUTS question EVERYTHING...even something that has evidense to back it up.

WE QUESTION IT.. and QUESTION it...and QUESTION it...until ALL questions are ANSWERED...

we AIM to find TRUTH....in FACTS that can no longer be DENIED...we dont simply say "ahh..well they say its true, so i beleive it"

^^^ ditto

You didnt even know a theory before when it was right in your face. There was only one piece of evidence that the Earth was round. No one found it. There was not "massive evidence". the church was still saying that Heavean was in the clouds, in the sky, until flight, then Heavan was moved to space, until spaceflight, then heavan was moved beyond the physical world. Religion does things in the ignorance of fact. This explains why science was SOOO painfully slow untill the Victorian era.

The shape of the earth wasn't very testable. When it became so, intelligent people figured it out, while RELIGIOUS people still denied it.

Religion and science were the same thign for a very long time. SInce you believe EVERYTHING a religous authority tells you, you would've believed the Earth was flat.

Exactly, which makes religious people look even worse when stating that it is true because they say so. The believed in many things and time after time science proved them WRONG!

I also dislike people who believe in everything the bible, or torah says word for word. Even though most of the information contradicts itselfs. Or has been disproved. Like the earth being only a few thousand years old.

Alright listen up...Everyone in the world has their own thoughts and beliefs. In my opinion all of this that we call theories could be correct, but i think that God did it. I think God made the big bang, started evolution, gave us intelligent thoughts, gave everyone different personalitys and that's one reason why we are here right now talking about this. Everyone disagrees yes it will always be like this. People just have to stop getting so upset when someone says "Hey, no listen it's this way." Just listen and then see what they have to say then if you wish take that thought and make it yours or do as i did and turn into into what you think it should be. It doesn't matter how you do it, that's the beauty in it. You are you and can think for yourself, no one can change that.

Also about the bible, listen people the bible was a translation from a language that dates back before latin was even around. It is so lost in translation that most things in it are going to be contradicting themselves. It's just a book that allows us to get ideas...ideas that we go on from and use in our lives to shape them. Everything in that book is a good idea if you just look at it and not go all haywire saying "AH! Look at this! It says this here, but look her in the book of Psalms! Look look see it contradicts with these two verses!" NO! Two completely people wrote that entry and they had different ideas and saw things differently so they wished to express that thought in their book. The bible is a ton of books put together written by different people throughout time.

All i'm saying is if you have an idea good express it, but don't get mad when someone else stops you and says "But, wait what if it was like this?" or "No, see if you can see it this way." People are always going to have different ideas and yes someone will reject my idea and maybe even get mad about it, but you know if that's the way your going to be then be that way that's you not me. Don't make die hard beliefs and make it out to be like it's wrote in stone. Nothing is wrote in stone except the fact of death and well at this time and day taxes hehe. Just have a good idea and go from there.

Listen to what? Unsupported opinions? At least people can prove things with science. Even if it is only a theory, its closer to fact than religion.
The reason people thousands of years ago adopted "religions" and GOD's were because of unexplained phenomena. Like the Sun in the sky, plagues, rain ect....

God already has a tremendous challenge: Getting us to believe in, obey, and love him without impeding upon free will. Bruce Almighty explains it all.

Wasn't Galileo thrown in prison for saying the earth isn't the center of the universe??

Yes he was thrown in prison.

Admiral Akbar...good job. Nice argument !

Vladarion...pretty good job yourself.

You guys are amazing...

Peejayd, im dissapointed that you could not come up with a better argument, however. ❌

I imagined you were more than capable of such a challenge. I guess your limitted views and bounds to the Bible restrict your ability to argue in more than one perspective.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
A better question would be... how do you know that God is everything?

And how do you know that it isn't?

There's no PROOF of God's existance, only circumstancial evidense which Evolution has a LOT MORE OF.

I find it pointless and foolish for ANYONE to try and speak on behalf of "God".

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Admiral Akbar...good job. Nice argument !

Vladarion...pretty good job yourself.

You guys are amazing...

Peejayd, im dissapointed that you could not come up with a better argument, however. ❌

I imagined you were more than capable of such a challenge. I guess your limitted views and bounds to the Bible restrict your ability to argue in more than one perspective.

It's hard to tell if you are being sarcastic or serious... 😕 😛

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There's no PROOF of God's existance, only circumstancial evidense which Evolution has a LOT MORE OF.

I find it pointless and foolish for ANYONE to try and speak on behalf of "God".

There is no proof of his existance, true. I can't prove it exists, but you can't prove that it doesn't.

Abrahamic God is something I don't necesseraly believe in, but my view of God is not limited to what Islam, Christianity and Judaism have to say about it.

If thats how you count what God is, than you are no more open minded about it than they are.

95% of the world's population believe in a higher being of some sort. If everyone is so stuck on proof tell me something then. Everyone normally has one person in their lives they love. So think of that person and then if you love them...Prove it.

Prove you love someone? Make-out, have sex, marry one another, have a baby and live happily until you die. If you truly loved someone you would do all of those things.

Its been nearly 95% believers for long before any of us were alive. And these believers were the same people who persecuted scientists because they were telling the truth. So a bunch of ignorant believers > the truth? Dont think so...

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Prove you love someone? Make-out, have sex, marry one another, have a baby and live happily until you die. If you truly loved someone you would do all of those things.

You could do all those things and not love each other. There are even people who have had happy marriages, but never loved each other.

Love is not proved through physical things, but rather through sacrifice and compromise for each other, giving without expecting anything in return, and striving to help the person you love to be the best they can. That is my definition for love.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There is no proof of his existance, true. I can't prove it exists, but you can't prove that it doesn't.

Abrahamic God is something I don't necesseraly believe in, but my view of God is not limited to what Islam, Christianity and Judaism have to say about it.

If thats how you count what God is, than you are no more open minded about it than they are.

Hello...did SAY God doesn't exist? No....

I said it is FOOLISH for one to think that he or she can SPEAK for God....

I am VERY OPEN to the possibility that God may exist, but i do not beleive this God to be the sort from ANY religion.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Prove you love someone? Make-out, have sex, marry one another, have a baby and live happily until you die. If you truly loved someone you would do all of those things.

Its been nearly 95% believers for long before any of us were alive. And these believers were the same people who persecuted scientists because they were telling the truth. So a bunch of ignorant believers > the truth? Dont think so...