Could god challenge himself?

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
Jesus let him self be crucified when he could have run or performed some miracle to free him self if he were really the son of God but decided to stay and be crucified, does that count?

Legally if a bodyguard takes a bullet for the predident, that doesn't counts as suicide. He's allowed to take the bullet for mankind.

yeah, but actually it is suicide.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
yeah, but actually it is suicide.

Yeah, but nobody would actually say that to anyone else, so why say it to Jesus?

Plus the legal system protects him, and justice trumps rational thought due to presedence.

Do you mean our legal system or the legal systen 2000 years ago?

eigther way, it is a choice to possibly give your life at the given momment. In one sense that could be suicide, in another it could be the sacrifice of your life for another. I guess in the bible, the one would cancel out the other, making it just a death....i am really bored

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
eigther way, it is a choice to possibly give your life at the given momment. In one sense that could be suicide, in another it could be the sacrifice of your life for another. I guess in the bible, the one would cancel out the other, making it just a death....i am really bored

Don't play stupid games with words. I'm saying that the type of suicide that we'd say is wrong (that was once outlawed) was not the type that Jesus committed. It's like defining a stone as an atheist as it has no belief in God... Sorry, forgot Jesus' promise of them praising him... a bacterium is an atheist, as it has no belief in God. Absolutely worthless.

If he can do anything, could he ever prove himself wrong?

Nope. That would be a mistake, and that is the one thing beyond him. Unless that mistake is more useful than perfection. If he got somebody to be an Evil Atheist (not sure whether they exist, but in this metaphorical situation, they do) by showing some stupid worthless logic, that convinces stupid people and three people turned to Christianity due to the illogical nature of the ranting. Enough lies can give an outline of the truth.

Uh oh, it would appear that God is becoming more limited as the thread goes on. 😂

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Uh oh, it would appear that God is becoming more limited as the thread goes on. 😂

Not very. As I stated ages ago, It is not a disability in a mathamatician if they cannot find that 5+4=8. Same with God, It's not a bad thing if he cannot make mistakes.

If God cannot make a weight so heavy that even He cannot lift it, then He is not all powerful. I would say that is a limitation.

If he travelled through time, would he abe able to defeat his younger, less experienced self?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If God cannot make a weight so heavy that even He cannot lift it, then He is not all powerful. I would say that is a limitation.

He is limitless. There is no weight he cannot lift. It is a limitation of mine that I cannot lift ten tons. It is not a limitaion of a truck that it can.

I haven't read all of this thread, but I see it like this:

We can only see things from our limited point-of-view. We cannot comprehend all the ways that God can see things. To us what seems a paradox may not apply to Him. We see it as, "It's true or it is not." Perhaps God is the one who says, "But the question is: how?" To us, that makes little sense. To Him, it might make all the sense in the world.

I Corinthians 2:5 "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

That's all I need to remember 🙂.

Originally posted by Ytaker
He is limitless. There is no weight he cannot lift. It is a limitation of mine that I cannot lift ten tons. It is not a limitaion of a truck that it can.

If God can create a weight so heavy that He cannot lift it, He is limited in strength. If God cannot create a weight so heavy that He cannot lift it, He is limited in His ability to create. So either God is limited or a limitless God does not exist.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If God can create a weight so heavy that He cannot lift it, He is limited in strength. If God cannot create a weight so heavy that He cannot lift it, He is limited in His ability to create. So either God is limited or a limitless God does not exist.

It's impossible to create a weight a Being with limitless strength could not lift, in the same way that it is not possible for you to create a puzzle you cannot solve, as your intelligence is equal to the maker. You cannot exceed yourself. Not a limitation for him though, as nothing can exceed him. It wouldn't be a limitation for me not to be able to lift ten tons, if there wasn't ten tons in the universe.

Originally posted by Ytaker
It's impossible to create a weight a Being with limitless strength could not lift, in the same way that it is not possible for you to create a puzzle you cannot solve, as your intelligence is equal to the maker. You cannot exceed yourself. Not a limitation for him though, as nothing can exceed him. It wouldn't be a limitation for me not to be able to lift ten tons, if there wasn't ten tons in the universe.

Then God is not all powerful or He does not exist.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then God is not all powerful or He does not exist.

You define all powerful in a stupidly pointless way. I'm saying that God's all powerful in a way that lets him do useful tasks. Not pointless ones. His only limits are that he cannot make mistakes, or be stronger than himself. If that's how you define as less than all powerful, then so be it. I don't accept it as a contradiction though.

Ytaker>

Congratulations on missing the point entirely. All powerfullness as a characteristic does not exist as it is a paradoxial impossibility. This means that an all powerful God does not exist or if you prefer, God exists but is not all powerful.