The Beyonder (secret wars version) VS The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mider
wrathofachlles, you have already lost your argument. The original beyonder is more powerful the the LT thats a fact that you need to except and if you dont like this thread you can stop writing in it your unbelivably annoying with your stupid real life examples this is not a science thread its a comic thread you need to use your tiny peanut sized brain and get that into your head if it fits with out making it explode. Marvel comics can do whatever the hell they want with there comic not you.

Lol, silly child. I haven't 'lost' the argument because you haven't produced anything Beyonder hasn't already said. You are useless to this argument. Not just because you cannot spell or punctuate mind you, but because you have actually not contributed anything new to the discussion. Yes Marvel can do whatever the hell they want, and they have said time and time again the Living Tribunal is the most powerful physical entity in the universe *not counting the One.* Did you miss that fact? Evidently. Now go to bed little one. You are a gadfly, nothing more than a mere annoyance.

Originally posted by Abaddon
I can't take this anymore!!!!!!! Pease learn how to spell Mider, I can't take you seriously.

Exactly.

And what evidence DO YOU HAVE WRATH!?! Your the one going by the bios of LT from Marvel. Those bios aren't always accurate and everyone knows that. It's what's in the comics that counts shrimp, Obviously you don't know do you? Your going by bios and logic and people's spelling & punctuation to say LT would win. Stop picking on Mider, his spelling isn't that bad and lack of puntuations either. I don't see why you can't understand what he wrote. Atleast Mider read the books and is quoting from it unlogic you how tries to apply logic to comics & use Marvel bios as evidence. Half-pint stop picking others when you back your evidence up with bios and nothing from the comics. Don't JUST speculate - prove it.

LT interfered when Eternity brought a case against Warlock & accused him of being unstable & lacked what it took to control the whole universe - that he was a danger to the entire universe. LT agreed and stopped him. LT never interfered with Thanos w/ gauntlet because he never threated to destroy the universe. He didn't even kill Eternity, only put him in a catatomic state then replace Eternity with himself. His goal was to wipe out all life (not the universe) as a gift to his beloved Death to EARN HER LOVE. Furthermore, Death allowed Thanos to find the gems because she felt the universe was unbalanced, more people alive than dead. LT never had a reason to stop Thanos. Beyonder killing Death itself or threating to destroy all existence isn't going to get LT's attention? Please, his threat was real and thus the Celestials attacked him like he wanted. That attacked him to satisfy his wish for them to take attention & not just stand around - this was just to impress Boom Boom who thought the Celestials weren't paying them (her & Beyonder) any attention. It was a real threat - thus they attacked to please his wishes. They NEVER had a chance, except act as his play toy and satisfy his wishes or all existence would be destroyed! Got that Wrath?

MERCILOUS

And for Marvel's next astonishing feat, WE WILL BRING LIFE TO LIFE!!!!!!

*simpletons everywhere cheer*

And for Marvel's next astonishing feat, they'll make some one fly without wings or propulsion!...oh wait, DC did that with Superman.

...they'll apply the concept of judge, jury, & executioner to a multiversal scale into one being...ooops they've done that, the Living Tribunal.

...they'll allow someone to move faster than light itself...gah damn it, DC did already with Flash & Superman.

...they'll enable someone to control thunder & lightning & call for hurricanes...nope, no need, they've done that with Storm & Thor.

How can Death be destroyed? Well, if something or anything living DIES, Death occurs right Mercilous? What happens when you erase the concept & laws of death? You stop people from dying. If people stopped dying, they're would be no death. Death is just something we living & thinking creates come up with 'cause does a rock know death? I don't see why you can't kill Death or erase her, essentially giving every living thing immortality. Death was killed & will be killable in the future if writters choose. It's a comic book - they're universe is a bit off. I mean c'mon, a pair of glasses can disguise you or you can say some hocus pocus backwards and you can make uncanny things happen. And mutants with super powers? Mutantions alot of the times cause cancer and kill that person. Other times it's a benefit to Natural Selection enabling Evolution to occur. Please stop trying to apply so much logic, Death was killed.

And honestly Mercilous, they've (Marvel, DC, or someone else) may have "brought life to life" before, but we've yet to read it. If not, you can be sure they'll do so in the near future.

Originally posted by Beyonder
It's what's in the comics that counts shrimp, Obviously you don't know do you? Half-pint stop picking others when you back your evidence up with bios and nothing from the comics.

How do you know he's short? If he is, how does that affect his argument?

Originally posted by Beyonder
Stop picking on Mider, his spelling isn't that bad and lack of puntuations either. Half-pint stop picking others when you back your evidence up with bios and nothing from the comics.

Normally I wouldn't slam his spelling, but this forum does have a spell checker and an edit button...

Originally posted by Beyonder

And for Marvel's next astonishing feat, they'll make some one fly without wings or propulsion!...oh wait, DC did that with Superman.

DC explains this, its a tactile telekinesis thats only limited to himself and what he touches.

Originally posted by Beyonder
[B]...they'll apply the concept of judge, jury, & executioner to a multiversal scale into one being...ooops they've done that, the Living Tribunal.

Would you have it any other way? This is the cosmos, not Democracy. The last thing we need is checks and balances to determine cosmologic law.

Originally posted by Beyonder
[B]...they'll allow someone to move faster than light itself...gah damn it, DC did already with Flash & Superman.

What about Silver Surfer?

Beyonder has his own universe outside of the marvel multiverse, so LT was unable to touch him.

Abaddon

How do you know he's short? If he is, how does that affect his argument?

The way it affects Miders spelling or grammar - IT DOESN'T!!! If anyone here's going to rant on off subject & criticize others spelling or whatever the hell, then do it polite and don't call them a little boy or child. I wasn't even refering to Wrath's size by calling him a shrimp; but you're right Abaddon, I don't know his size as Wrath doesn't know Mider's age. Furthermore, Mider presented actual events from the comics and a good case - but all I'm hearing from you, Wrath, & Mercilous is off the subject things. And Wrath, he seems to know more then you on the subject 'cause he seems to have SWI & II.

Beyonder
...they'll allow someone to move faster than light itself...gah damn it, DC did already with Flash & Superman.

Abaddon
What about Silver Surfer?

YEAH! YOUR RIGHT, HIM TOO! He moves faster than light.

*oh, idea*
...for Marvel's next trick they'll give some one the power to tap into the cosmos (even though there are no such damn thing as cosmic powers)...sh!t, again? Dang, Marvel already has guys like those the heralds of Galactus with their power cosmic. 😛

Originally posted by Beyonder
And what evidence DO YOU HAVE WRATH!?! Your the one going by the bios of LT from Marvel. Those bios aren't always accurate and everyone knows that. It's what's in the comics that counts shrimp, Obviously you don't know do you? Your going by bios and logic and people's spelling & punctuation to say LT would win. Stop picking on Mider, his spelling isn't that bad and lack of puntuations either. I don't see why you can't understand what he wrote. Atleast Mider read the books and is quoting from it unlogic you how tries to apply logic to comics & use Marvel bios as evidence. Half-pint stop picking others when you back your evidence up with bios and nothing from the comics. Don't JUST speculate - prove it.

LT interfered when Eternity brought a case against Warlock & accused him of being unstable & lacked what it took to control the whole universe - that he was a danger to the entire universe. LT agreed and stopped him. LT never interfered with Thanos w/ gauntlet because he never threated to destroy the universe. He didn't even kill Eternity, only put him in a catatomic state then replace Eternity with himself. His goal was to wipe out all life (not the universe) as a gift to his beloved Death to EARN HER LOVE. Furthermore, Death allowed Thanos to find the gems because she felt the universe was unbalanced, more people alive than dead. LT never had a reason to stop Thanos. Beyonder killing Death itself or threating to destroy all existence isn't going to get LT's attention? Please, his threat was real and thus the Celestials attacked him like he wanted. That attacked him to satisfy his wish for them to take attention & not just stand around - this was just to impress Boom Boom who thought the Celestials weren't paying them (her & Beyonder) any attention. It was a real threat - thus they attacked to please his wishes. They NEVER had a chance, except act as his play toy and satisfy his wishes or all existence would be destroyed! Got that Wrath?

Shrimp? God, you're pathetic. You have no basis in argument other than the fact that Beyonder rules all man. If my thread name was Living Tribunal, then you'd have room to talk, but since it isn't Mr. BEYONDER, keep your mouth shut. The comics did not depict LT as less powerful as Beyonder, plain and simple. The Warlock episode is pointless, I never included that in my argument. Wiping out a great deal of the life in the universe is at least as threatening as whatever Beyonder's idiotic plans were. Furthermore, you evidently are ignorant of English punctuation as well, because Mider's grammar is piss-poor and that fact is as obvious as the day is long. You're only defending him because he's championing your man, lol. He didn't quote a god damn thing. Open your eyes sport. I grow tired of these childish debates. When you can discuss this like a grown-up 'shrimp,' let me know.

Originally posted by Beyonder
The way it affects Miders spelling or grammar - IT DOESN'T!!! If anyone here's going to rant on off subject & criticize others spelling or whatever the hell, then do it polite and don't call them a little boy or child. I wasn't even refering to Wrath's size by calling him a shrimp; but you're right Abaddon, I don't know his size as Wrath doesn't know Mider's age. Furthermore, Mider presented actual events from the comics and a good case - but all I'm hearing from you, Wrath, & Mercilous is off the subject things. And Wrath, he seems to know more then you on the subject 'cause he seems to have SWI & II.

You are obviously ignorant of common sense as well. The issue of size has no bearing in this thread. The issue of immaturity does. When someone spells like a 5 year old, he shall be addressed as a five year old, plain and simple. This isn't a sandbox, if people cannot learn to spell simple words and cannot learn to punctuate their sentences, their arguments have no merit. That is not a difficult concept to understand. I can't help that I'm a bit more educated than the likes of you. I certainly won't compromise myself as a result.

And as I said, you're only whining about it because he's repeating your inane ramblings, lol. How utterly transparent.

Wow Wrath, you're so right aren't you? 🙄 'Cause you obviously didn't read what I wrote - I myself said "I wasn't even refering to Wrath's size by calling him a shrimp." Your the immature air head around here; you can tell him to correct his spelling but don't b!tch like a little wienner about it. What the hell happened Wrath? Did the Joker let the convicts out of Arkam again? *Somebody quickly call Batman* !Wrath is on the loose!

Furthermore, again, you don't address the issue at hand with the evidence presented. I ain't championing anything; Mider had a point - and all you can do is run your mouth about him being a child 'cause his of his writting. It ain't that bad - or are you just that illerate for some damn reason? If you can respond to what I saying, you can certainly understand what Mider wrote. Stop making it such an issue. Funny how you call him a child when you have no concept of proof except bios from Marvel and logic which you try and apply to comic books? Or are you just one of those geezers who don't have anything to do but read from bios and make arguments based off of that?

As for Warlock, I used it as evidence to show why LT took actions against Warlock and Thanos. Hell, you yourself brought Thanos up and used him as evidence for why LT "didn't act" according to you. And yet I can't. Hocus pocus hypocratus isn't it Wrath? AGAIN, Mider seems to have read the issues - DID YOU READ BOTH SW I & II? You don't even seem to know what you're arguing against.

Keep it civil in here. Don't make it personal.

Then adress this, because you completely ignored it the first time around.

Beyonder kills death.

Beyonder makes himself mortal (capable of dying.)

1. either death is not dead and he's only destroyed some metamorphical manifestation of death, which makes you wrong.

2. Death is dead and all are immortal making all of beyonders ploys pointless.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Wow Wrath, you're so right aren't you? 🙄 'Cause you obviously didn't read what I wrote - I myself said "I wasn't even refering to Wrath's size by calling him a shrimp." Your the immature air head around here; you can tell him to correct his spelling but don't b!tch like a little wienner about it. What the hell happened Wrath? Did the Joker let the convicts out of Arkam again? *Somebody quickly call Batman* !Wrath is on the loose!

Furthermore, again, you don't address the issue at hand with the evidence presented. I ain't championing anything; Mider had a point - and all you can do is run your mouth about him being a child 'cause his of his writting. It ain't that bad - or are you just that illerate for some damn reason? If you can respond to what I saying, you can certainly understand what Mider wrote. Stop making it such an issue. Funny how you call him a child when you have no concept of proof except bios from Marvel and logic which you try and apply to comic books? Or are you just one of those geezers who don't have anything to do but read from bios and make arguments based off of that?

As for Warlock, I used it as evidence to show why LT took actions against Warlock and Thanos. Hell, you yourself brought Thanos up and used him as evidence for why LT "didn't act" according to you. And yet I can't. Hocus pocus hypocratus isn't it Wrath? AGAIN, Mider seems to have read the issues - DID YOU READ BOTH SW I & II? You don't even seem to know what you're arguing against.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the meaning of 'immature.' Let us embark upon a lesson shall we? When you call people names: you are immature. When you explain to someone that if they cannot spell or write in complete sentences with proper punctuation and grammar, then their arguments are invalid: that is not immature. That is trying to teach children that if they are not going to present themselves as educated individuals, then they cannot enter into an adult conversation. Learn the difference sport.

Also, I have never quoted any Marvel bio, I didn't even read them for this debate. Nor did I read SW II, I never said I did. But if you look closely, I never argued anything regarding Secret Wars II! I never mentioned Warlock, you did! This is SW I Beyonder vs. LT. I don't care if you bring up Warlock, but that's not the issue. The issue if you claiming LT couldn't act, and I refuted that by pointing out he COULD act but he didn't, ex. Thanos.

http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/beyonder.htm
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/livingtribunal.htm

This thread is about the Original beyonder VS the LT you moron, or are you to stupid to see the title of this page? it has in little words next to Beyonders name from secret wars your totally embarressing yourself i may have bad punctuation but at least i dont rave my stupidities over and over and over you have no proof you have no evidence you just put it yourself i never read secret wars i never read any bios those were your words, people if anyone else is getting annoyed with Wrath i suggest he leaves this thread already or im just going to have the mods kick him and if any of you feel the same you can do the same.

PEOPLE YOU ALL NEED TO RELEAX AND BREATH

Originally posted by Mider
This thread is about the Original beyonder VS the LT you moron, or are you to stupid to see the title of this page? it has in little words next to Beyonders name from secret wars your totally embarressing yourself i may have bad punctuation but at least i dont rave my stupidities over and over and over you have no proof you have no evidence you just put it yourself i never read secret wars i never read any bios those were your words, people if anyone else is getting annoyed with Wrath i suggest he leaves this thread already or im just going to have the mods kick him and if any of you feel the same you can do the same.

Don't bash other members. Keep on topic as well.

Originally posted by Mider
This thread is about the Original beyonder VS the LT you moron, or are you to stupid to see the title of this page? it has in little words next to Beyonders name from secret wars your totally embarressing yourself i may have bad punctuation but at least i dont rave my stupidities over and over and over you have no proof you have no evidence you just put it yourself i never read secret wars i never read any bios those were your words, people if anyone else is getting annoyed with Wrath i suggest he leaves this thread already or im just going to have the mods kick him and if any of you feel the same you can do the same.

Don't threaten me sport. I'm not resorting to simple name-calling, I'm telling you that if you can't spell and use proper grammar than I'm not going to bother acknowledging your posts. That's not against the rules, you don't like it? Learn to write properly. Secondly, where you got the idea that I have no proof is absurd. You have no proof of your argument either. That's why this is called a DEBATE. Fact is it's been stated that Living Tribunal was the most powerful entity. Fact is Beyonder did not accomplish anything to warrant him being more powerful than LT. Fact is LT has proven time and time again he can do anything he wishes by a wave of a hand BUT that he does not ever do so unless he deems it absolutely necessary. At least I have used actual comic instances and logic to back up my argument, you have done nothing but follow Beyonder around repeating his rantings. You haven't used any information to back up your opinion, so save your little threats for someone who's impressed. Not even close here sport.

Originally posted by supremthor
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/beyonder.htm
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/livingtribunal.htm

That information should be sufficient to end this debate. 'Nuff said.

SECRET WARS VERSION

Offical Beyonder

Beyonder as recorded in the Secret Wars 2 MSH module. Note that his stats as a cosmic cube (after the wars is about equal to his final state, with CL1000 reality manipulation).
"Original state"
Fighting: Beyond
Agility: Beyond
Strength: Beyond
Endurance: Beyond
Reason: Beyond
Intuition: Beyond
Psyche: Beyond
Health: Not applicable
Karma: Unlimited
Resources: Unlimited
Popularity: Not aplicable

Living Tribunal
Cosmic Entity

Fighting: CL5000
Agility: CL5000
Strength: CL5000
Endurance: CL5000
Reason: CL5000
Intuition: CL5000
Psyche: CL5000

Health: Infinite
Karma: Infinite
Resources: Infinite
Popularity: 0

Known Powers:
Invulnerability: The Living Tribunal has Beyond protection against all physical, energy, psionic and magical attacks.
Omni-Power: The Living Tribunal is the most powerful known being in existence. He can use any listed Power or Stunt with CL5000 ability, though he rarely does so.