Walfare a good thing or a bad thing?

No, i wasnt referring to people who actually have to work to live. I thought i made that clear, Oh well. That small percentage of homeless people that panhandle you speak of, is actually not small at all. Why do you think every city has a major problem with the homeless. It's because the citezens of the state are pissed off that they have to put up with that shit. Maybe i'm just throwing around the term homeless to loosely. when i say homeless or bums, i mean the people i'm bantering about. I dont mean people who have lost everything, or people who cant get a break in life. I diddnt want to call them all addicts because the people i speak about quite lividly are not all addicts, just lazy people.

LIsten i feel for those unfortunate people out there. I have been there at a time in my life when my family and i were homeless, and had no source of income. Being there though, i know there are numerous programs to help. Many people cant leave the streets ounce it becomes apart of their lives, because for most it is all that they have ever lived, and all they know It is hard to leave what you know, or leave the fellow people around you that are hurting just as much. It is basically a psychological disorder, kind of like getting caught in despair.

Most of the time homeless people are addicts of some kind from my experience. My dad is a former drug user and alcoholic and goes to AA meetings and meets most of his friends there, and a lot of times we will stop at an intersection and a bum will come up to the car and it will be a friend of the family. It is really sad to see people you know living in squalor because every cent they have goes to their addiction.It's not easy to get off the streets, especially when you are physically or mentally addicted to a substance that is controlling your life. It takes serious will power for someone to go from a crack addict on the streets to a hard working citizen. And if they do it is really hard for them to not fall back into that lifestyle. If you are in the room with a former coke addict and you tap a razor on a table a few times, the sound made by that razor will make them want to do coke immediately, even if they haven't done coke in months. It really is that bad.

I argee with you on that point.So giving them money to buy this stuff is pointless.If we can only get the job finding them it would be better tehn giving them money.
JM

What would you rather prefer:

1) Having a job, a house, family, friends and free-time and pay taxes.
2) Being a homeless drug-addict on welfare?

These are the extremes, yes... But anyone who's not willing to share a little with those less fortunate... Is indeed unfortunate him/herself.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I argee with you on that point.So giving them money to buy this stuff is pointless.If we can only get the job finding them it would be better tehn giving them money.
JM

you are purposely warping logic to fit your warped views.

first you acknowledge that SOME abuse the system and
then you go on to say "giving them(ALL the poor) money is pointless",
based on that arguement.

you cant trick the debate by switching the minority of the poor with ALL the poor *BUZZZZZZ* SORRY!!! try again

I was commenting on Rages Remorse saying it's not that hard for the homeless to get off the streets... homeless people generally don't collect welfare anyway seeing that they don't have a home and all. Most people who collect welfare checks are families and many of them are single mothers. I really don't get how anyone could argue against welfare...

very true

the topic of homelessness came up when JM denied its existance.
and you are correct, homeless do not collect welfare.
the bottom line is welfare is for CHILDREN, and anyone that says
that impoverished children on our own soil do not deserve our charity
must not have much of a soul.

I somewhat agree with the comments made by ragesRemorse. In reality you shouldn't be giving money to those homeless people out there asking for a quarter. Most of the time they are junkies or crackheads that just want the money to buy their drugs or marijuana. A long...very long time ago I stop giving money to homeless in the streets. You really are not helping them but rather hurting them more by helping them with money.

That's why you should donate your money to charities that are willing to help those homeless on the streets. There are many missions in skid row that could really use that money to feed those that are really in need. As for the Welfare state is better to ensure that the government puts restrictions on those that are capable of working. There are many cases of people abusing the system for their profit and not for necessity.

I wasn't attacking the point that you shouldn't give panhandlers cash, I was attacking what he said about it being easy to just clean yourself up and get a job and get yourself off the streets.

I can't say I never give people on the streets cash because I do. If I see someone I knew out there I can't just ignore them even if they did stick the needle in their own arm. But there are alternatives to giving them money. People seem to think that if you give a homeless person food they wont eat. They will, just because they are addicted to drugs doesn't mean they don't still need to eat. It's too hard for me to just not do anything especially with the cold hard fact that usually when somebody falls into that lifestyle, they are almost destined to die on the street.

Nevertheless, giving a welfare check to unfortunate families has nothing to do with giving an extra buck to some crack addict on the street. Most poor people who receive welfare are single parent families.

I really shouldn't even give give this moro the pleasure of a response because its just too damn stupid. But Nazgul is right....My sister is on govt assistance & needs it badly. She & her 5 year old seriously came close to starving at one point. Is that 'prove' enough for ya? I agree that there are abuses of the system, but thats no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The theory is good, some just take advantage, but most recipients need it & would 'die in the streets' without it.

I really wanna live in Jackie's world. Tell me, what color is the shy there? Does it ever rain? I seriously have never run across anyone this ignorant of EVERYTHING. If you cant spell, you certainly cant know jack crap about real life Missy. You want "prove" - go to any inner city at 2 am & see what the deal is, people do die in the streets and in a country as prosperous as the US it is UNACCEPTABLE!

Do us all a favor and shut the hell up until you've actually had to work, pay taxes, pay bills, raise kids, etc.....

APPLAUSE FOR BILBOFETT!!!!!!

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damn fine post 👆

Jackie, your lack of education, incredibly bad spelling and grammar (yes I know this is not english class but half the time I don't know what she's trying to f*ckin' say) and immature views of the world's socio and political problems are becoming at best annoying.

I applaud trying to understand and spark discussion on such interesting and pertinant issues at such a young age. But it would be great if you first researched some views of your own and tehn intelligently discussed them.

Throwing out issues and then disagreeing people is not constructive discourse, it is just annoying.

😂 Jackie Malfoy...you are now...

Afro Cheese> “I really don't get how anyone could argue against welfare...”
Neither can I.
There is unemployment. So, obviously there are not enough jobs for everyone. Some jobs require specials skills that not everyone has.

Yes, some people abuse the system, but they don’t amount to a lot. And the money they cost is a tiny fraction of what big business and corporate embezzlement and fraud and tax-evasion cost society each year.

WindDancer> “Most of the time they are junkies or crackheads that just want the money to buy their drugs or marijuana.”
You know this how? Yes, there are many ALCOHOLICS among them, and if you don’t help them – then what? Should they resort to crime? An addict is AN ADDICT. It’s not like a homless alcoholic see ANY reason to quit drinking…

I don't help druggies or homeless so what? Should I feel guilty for not giving them a lousy quarter so that they can go an inject themselves with whatever drug they like? Heck no! What if they resort to crime? Well, too bad for them hopefully the cops will arrest them and club them in the head. Better yet throw them in the rehabilation clinics so they cure themselves. If that don't help let them die in the skid row. Waste of human life if they don't want to be help.

That's a little harsh. People who are addicted to drugs aren't a "waste of life," they are normal people who took a wrong turn. At one time they lived a normal life. Drug addiction is a serious problem in this country and if you ask me it's the piece of shit drug dealers that are a waste of life. They do want help, but it's not that simple. When somebody has become dependent on a substance to the point where they will deprive themselves of food and shelter in order to obtain it, it's safe to say they aren't just lazy bums who don't want to change, they have a serious sickness.

And I'm not saying you should help them out. That's your choice, do whatever you want. But that doesn't mean poor families shouldn't be able to collect welfare. I don't know why people keep confusing the homeless drug addicts and the lower class families. Two totally different groups of people. Homeless people don't get welfare.

Lookit, I was an addict & never used govt $$$ to get clean or while I was addicted or geting clean. Part of taking responsibility was paying for my treatment in my mind. Saying that welfare is a 'handout to druggies' is not only ofensive but factually untrue. Addiction is a disease, a medically classified disease. One that can be prevented, yes. But still a disease. Do you fault people with cancer for being sick? It is, no matter what the holier than thous say, exactly the same thing. That said, our resources would be put to much better use if we took the $$$ it takes to house druggies in prison & used it for rehab. Sorry but the system is ass backwards on this one. It would help immensely if those with such sheltered lives actually listened to the disenfranchised & took it to heart. It's called compassion & is severly lacking not only in society but also especially by those with NO life experience in this thread. Till you've been there or close to it, shut up.

Ok who are you talking too?(confuse)JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Ok who are you talking too?(confuse)JM

Ummmmmmmmmmm....you!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Ok who are you talking too?(confuse)JM

no....she was talking to the illiterate fool standing behind you