luke cage vs. sabretooth

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

grappling and bone breaking skills adn techniques.

techno organic wings nearly as strong and durable as adamantium above steel or titanium.

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shiva shell

When has Warren's wings been described as nearly as strong as adamantium? Also, did you not notice Sabretooth saying that Warren's wings are thinner and weaker than last time?

He doesn't claw through Shiva in the third. Plus like I said before, if he's damaging adamantium it stinks of BS writing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't know what the first scan's supposed to mean since I don't even know who that guy is.

When has Warren's wings been described as nearly as strong as adamantium?

He doesn't claw through Shiva in the third. Plus like I said before, if he's damaging adamantium it stinks of BS writing.

during the Cable & Deadpool when DP took cable's future sword for a pan dimensional adventure.. he sliced through an alternate version of angel.. he said something like cool sword nice balance cuts through almost adamantium type material ....

also in other instances Wolverine has tangled with cable and did minor damage to cables arms at times.. cable using it to parry and block attacks and at times only suffered minor scratches and surface damage...

i am only saying that Techno wings and metal is superior to steel and titanium... and one of the few best things next to such material as adamantium and carbonadium

explanation of who they are..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=509407&pagenumber=4

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
during the Cable & Deadpool when DP took cable's future sword for a pan dimensional adventure.. he sliced through an alternate version of angel.. he said something like cool sword nice balance cuts through almost adamantium type material ....

also in other instances Wolverine has tangled with cable and did minor damage to cables arms at times.. cable using it to parry and block attacks and at times only suffered minor scratches and surface damage...

i am only saying that Techno wings and metal is superior to steel and titanium... and one of the few best things next to such material as adamantium and carbonadium

Not proof of Victor being able to cut Cage. Sabretooth's claws don't=Wolverine's claws and to my knowledge Archangle's wings don't = Cable's arm.

Proof? Like your scan said, Warren's wings were thin and weak in that instance.

also the scan of Shiva fighting sabe you can see sabe manage to do small damage scratch to it and that was b4 his multiple upgrades in strength and durability and he still ripped the shiva apart with his strength.

aside from that the super spetsnaz who had adamantuim resistant skin still got their butts kicked by sabretooth. i dont see Cage's skin being close to the spetsnaz and they were able to rip his arm and dislocate his joints ripping out of his skin with their superhuman strength.

my point is if he can do that to various types of materials prior to some upgrades he will do even worse to someone who's lvl of durability is only steel or titanium..

Even if Sabretooth said his wings were thin and weaker doesnt mean much since that is sabretooth just being sabretooth and goating him enjoying the pain he has caused warren.

i am not saying he will win by just scratching Luke but he will win by tearing his eyes tripping him and grappling him using his fighting skills..

Luke has no real hope of getting the majority here if you read more Sabretooth comic appearances in his mini's and other books where he isnt just fighting the title hero you will see he isnt a pushover to the likes of cage.

Sabretooth manage to fight and pummel some of sinister Submariner clones and finally manage to stick his claws into one of them b4 he got jumped by more....

Sabe can eventually weaken Cage with just minor cuts and running him ragged after he has ripped his eyes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof? Like your scan said, Warren's wings were thin and weak in that instance.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
also the scan of Shiva fighting sabe you can see sabe manage to do small damage scratch to it and that was b4 his multiple upgrades in strength and durability and he still ripped the shiva apart with his strength.

aside from that the super spetsnaz who had adamantuim resistant skin still got their butts kicked by sabretooth. i dont see Cage's skin being close to the spetsnaz and they were able to rip his arm and dislocate his joints ripping out of his skin with their superhuman strength.

my point is if he can do that to various types of materials prior to some upgrades he will do even worse to someone who's lvl of durability is only steel or titanium..

Even if Sabretooth said his wings were thin and weaker doesnt mean much since that is sabretooth just being sabretooth and goating him enjoying the pain he has caused warren.

i am not saying he will win by just scratching Luke but he will win by tearing his eyes tripping him and grappling him using his fighting skills..

Luke has no real hope of getting the majority here if you read more Sabretooth comic appearances in his mini's and other books where he isnt just fighting the title hero you will see he isnt a pushover to the likes of cage.

Sabretooth manage to fight and pummel some of sinister Submariner clones and finally manage to stick his claws into one of them b4 he got jumped by more....

Sabe can eventually weaken Cage with just minor cuts and running him ragged after he has ripped his eyes.

You want to compare general durability feats between Shiva and Cage? I bet Cage wins...

So you're saying that Sabretooth's adamantium claws couldn't damage the guy even though they could cut through pretty much anything short of adamantium itself, but Sabretooth pushed the guys bones through his skin... poor writing somewhere. Either he should have been able to cut them or he shouldn't have been strong enough to push the bones through. Unless you're off the opinion that Sabretooth is somewhere in the Hulk's strength range of course.

"Only steel or titanium"... you're ignoring feats in favor of description now. By the same token someone could say that Sabretooth can't even cut through regular iron since his claws are only as durable as whatever the Hell fingernails/claws are made out of. But think about this, when Cage's skin was stated to be as tough as steel he was resisting the claws of Sabretooth... who's claws could cut through steel. Look at Cage's feats and you'll see that his durability goes far beyond the descriptor. What's more, you're ASSUMING he can cut Cage based on the fact that Creed was upgraded without accounting for the fact that Cage has been upgraded repeatedly also.

It means that we can't assume Archangles wings were nearly as durable as adamantium in that instance is what it means. We don't know how tough they were right then, so it's not proof that Sabretooth can cut Cage.

Grappling with someone stronger than you is never a good idea. Sabretooth tried that before against Cage, and paid the price for it.

Cage's durability far exceeds his strength level just as Colossuss's does. Submariner is definately stronger, but I don't know if he's necessarily more durable. And I highly doubt that a Submariner clone would be, if nothing else I know one was KO'd by Cap in just a few panels.

Don't see him cutting Cage at all, and going for the eyes typically means coming right within arm's reach of the person you're attacking, which again isn't smart when the person you're fighting is stronger than you.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
It looks like Victor's referring to the blood, not the wing metal.

it's the blood bro, there is no way to interpret it differently.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Re-reading it I guess it's possible, but to me it came off as him talking about the wings themselves.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's the blood bro, there is no way to interpret it differently.

well, it's kinda sabretooth's thing to remark the taste's of opponents blood, he once said gambit's blood was spicier than last time after slashing his chest.

his blood as archangel is not as "human" as it once was before alteration

Cage is more durable than people give him credit for. I was also one of those people before reading more of him post-Bendis.

the submariner that Sabe fought was a suped up version it had cyke eye blast, regeneration, TP.. and a few added gene splicing to it....

I am aware of Cage's durability and i am actually factoring them to my argument. 🏴‍☠️

again When sabretooth was Grappling them he used their own weight and momentum to break their bones and joints.... also i was referring to them ripping sabretooth Ada. bones through his skin via their strength lvl.

in comics strength doesnt matter too much when it comes to grappling skill... Captain america was able to toss and flip Thunderstrike easy in their training sessions and even held his own for a few panels fighting amped up bloodstrike who was a high end 100+ tonner.

Cap also was able to fight and counter guys easy with ten ton strength as well..like US.Agent

saying that Sabe can grapple and have Cage hurt himself via using his own strength and leverage isnt that hard to believe especially since i posted link showing him do just that.

ever seen guys train and practice and have their arms bend back and drop their weight and use leverage to pull it off? and in the sabe mini that was all he was doing as strong as they were they couldnt stay up right and fight. sabe used leverage and their own strength while holding their arm out in the desired position while they land on their own arm using their own strength and weight..

it had nothing to do with sabretooth strength and it is just as realistic maneuver in real life as well not just a comic feat. if we want to talk how strong Cage is he really isnt that strong either at least not to the point where Sabe would struggle to pull his arms with his two arms and position his body for tosses and drops... Cage strength and durability really doesnt add to his overall weight which sabe can still easily pull and position for his manuevers.

also your reference of how bad Sabe did when he tried to grapple Cage when was this?

also how strong is Cage now, 20 tons?

If its adamantium ST he wins 10/10

i dont get it whats so hard to understand that if its adamantium sabretooth he takes it 10/10 he is able to cut luke if its a bone claws sabretooth then cage wins 10/10

creed gets a healthy majority with adamantium
cage gets majority without

well even without adamantium i guess creed can cut his eyes and its a victory

cage wins 10/10 against organic claw sabretooth

sabretooth 10/10 with adamantium

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the submariner that Sabe fought was a suped up version it had cyke eye blast, regeneration, TP.. and a few added gene splicing to it....

I am aware of Cage's durability and i am actually factoring them to my argument. 🏴‍☠️

again When sabretooth was Grappling them he used their own weight and momentum to break their bones and joints.... also i was referring to them ripping sabretooth Ada. bones through his skin via their strength lvl.

in comics strength doesnt matter too much when it comes to grappling skill... Captain america was able to toss and flip Thunderstrike easy in their training sessions and even held his own for a few panels fighting amped up bloodstrike who was a high end 100+ tonner.

Cap also was able to fight and counter guys easy with ten ton strength as well..like US.Agent

saying that Sabe can grapple and have Cage hurt himself via using his own strength and leverage isnt that hard to believe especially since i posted link showing him do just that.

ever seen guys train and practice and have their arms bend back and drop their weight and use leverage to pull it off? and in the sabe mini that was all he was doing as strong as they were they couldnt stay up right and fight. sabe used leverage and their own strength while holding their arm out in the desired position while they land on their own arm using their own strength and weight..

it had nothing to do with sabretooth strength and it is just as realistic maneuver in real life as well not just a comic feat. if we want to talk how strong Cage is he really isnt that strong either at least not to the point where Sabe would struggle to pull his arms with his two arms and position his body for tosses and drops... Cage strength and durability really doesnt add to his overall weight which sabe can still easily pull and position for his manuevers.

also your reference of how bad Sabe did when he tried to grapple Cage when was this?

also how strong is Cage now, 20 tons?

But their poor durability in the situation doesn't reflect on Cage. Regardless of leverage, there's no way Luke's own weight(450 lbs) is going to break his arm given his level of strength and the fact that he can be uninjured after falling off a sky scrapper...

Now the guys you mentioned may very well have had adamantium resistant skin but that doesn't mean that they're as durable as Cage all around. They may have been tougher on the outside, but that doesn't mean that they were tougher on the inside...

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Cap wasn't grappling Eric, he was tossing him around with Judo and stuff. I'm one of the biggest Cap supporters on the board and even I have no problem admitting that if Cap ever actually tried to lock up with someone that much stronger than him he'd have his ass handed to him. Hell even classic Beast(I'm talking human form) easily put Black Panther on his ass T'challa tried wrestling with him. I have no doubt that Sabretooth could throw Luke around some, but that's a little different than what you're talking about.

That's Cap, not Sabretooth. Cap's the exception, not the rule. Put Creed up against a double with 10x his strength and durability but with less skill and Creed would get his ass handed to him.

He's never done it against someone with durability like Cage. Now if Cage just stood there and LET Sabretooth do it then Sabretooth might be strong enough, but if he grabs on to Cage's arm Luke's first reaction will most likely be to slam him into the ground(or at the very least "lock" his arm). If he can grab Mr. X out of the air I'm pretty sure he's at least got the reflexes enough to do that.

Right here...
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And that was pre upgrade cage, post upgrade may very well be strong enough to crush Victor's throat in the same situation.

I'm pretty sure he was at 20 tons before his upgrade, so he should be beyond that at this point.

Cage isnt 10x stronger then sabe not even on his best day. aside from that the nervous system gun and the antman feat is pis since that is not how Lukes powerset is suppose to work at all.. and also Sabe has taken bigger falls then Cage and gotten right up...i am talking falls from planes low atmosphere type sh#$...
either way Lukes inside arent that Tough and shouldnt be. his Upgrade wasnt his internal durability but his actual strength lvl.. even if we assume his insides are tougher now it wasnt enough all it did was allow him to not get ko'ed and he struggled from the blast anyways..

figured the sabe cage fight was the early version of sabe b4 his retcons and added abilities b4 he was turned into a wolverine foe.