Venom and Carnage vs. Batman

Started by MERCILOUS11 pages

You constantly contradict yourself.

You often take what is said by other out of context.

Sometimes you even change what others say to better suit you.

You insist that all comic logic is flawed but readily accept any that favors your arguement.

Sometimes you say something so off the wall that one can wonder if you even read the post you're replying to.

I hope you feel humored, 'cause none of this was funny.

damn. i cosign everything MERC said.

im sorry cords, but it's true,maybe you just dont realize it

just look at how how you answered my post about logan beating cykes:

"No, cyke has handed the xmen their ass, and is skilled, wolverine is going down. 10/10"

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You constantly contradict yourself.

You often take what is said by other out of context.

Sometimes you even change what others say to better suit you.

You insist that all comic logic is flawed but readily accept any that favors your arguement.

Sometimes you say something so off the wall that one can wonder if you even read the post you're replying to.

I hope you feel humored, 'cause none of this was funny.

all bullshit, I don't contradict myself at all, no different than you guys take things out of context, so I'm stuck watering posts down.

The only people that say this are fanboys, and jinzin stooges.

Originally posted by Pointinel
damn. i cosign everything MERC said.

im sorry cords, but it's true,maybe you just dont realize it

just look at how how you answered my post about logan beating cykes:

"No, cyke has handed the xmen their ass, and is skilled, wolverine is going down. 10/10"

See just proving my point, only fanboys say stuff like this.

I don't care about favorite characters, how is wolveirne beating cyclops.

I've given hundreds on hundreds of reasons, and you say I'm saying they don't make mistakes, a strawman.

People usually resort to whining about my posts, rather than countering them,much like merc, who resorts to insults.

^you see.

im not even talking about logan beating cyclops, im talking about how you anwer questions. lol. read it in context man.

I'm answering your question fine, see what I'm saying, you're whining about my posts, but not proving my arguments.

You give absurd reasons for wolverine beating flash, iron man, and cyclops, but do little else.

If thats comic logic, thats poor debating.

They constantly show things out of wolverine's abilities, and want me to "accept it".

They can't explain how wolverine's jumping 50 feet, or how he moves faster than the eye can see.

Watch them explain it, you'll laugh. They usually are a typing exercise, p.

^ hotdamn @ your persistence!!!!

anyway

gotta go to work, catch you on the rebound man

peace I am persistent though

Creshosk was the one merc was describing.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Nah, I don't know that they've ever fought any other time. I've actually never read it, but do please notice that I'm not saying Batman will win.
OK. I think that I'd avoid saying something like

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well seeing as batman whipped the hell out of carnage he could indeed take both symbiotes,
unless I knew what I was talking about(by reading the book). It's OK though. I really don't think Batman would win or give the guys a run for their money. These are 2 people that either beat Spidey or give him an extremely hard time whenever he's not using sonics. Sometimes even when he uses sonics it's still a battle. (Spidey did beat the living s**t outta Gargan/Venom though). It's not like it was even a contest between Bats and Carnage. He didn't come close to giving Cletus a run for his money. Carnage wanted to grip him up and he did with ease. Batman was powerless to stop him. Period. He can't give 1 a run for his money. How's he gonna fare against 2? Tim Drake says "Yay! Now I get to be Batman!"

Originally posted by brainchild81
OK. I think that I'd avoid saying something like

unless I knew what I was talking about(by reading the book). It's OK though. I really don't think Batman would win or give the guys a run for their money. These are 2 people that either beat Spidey or give him an extremely hard time whenever he's not using sonics. Sometimes even when he uses sonics it's still a battle. (Spidey did beat the living s**t outta Gargan/Venom though). It's not like it was even a contest between Bats and Carnage. He didn't come close to giving Cletus a run for his money. Carnage wanted to grip him up and he did with ease. Batman was powerless to stop him. Period. He can't give 1 a run for his money. How's he gonna fare against 2? Tim Drake says "Yay! Now I get to be Batman!"

Well, the only reason I started using such strong statements is to earn Bats some respect. Alot of people were disreguarding him as a non-factor. I think he would indeed give them both a run for there money. What makes you think he'd go down easy?

As for Spidey, I don't think he's ever beat a symbiote on an equal playing ground.

As for that crossover, you should probably accept it all or completely disreguard it. Batman still won after all.

With prep time Batman Wins. Buttttt without it.....Batman Wins 😉 🙄 😄 😎 😮‍💨

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well, the only reason I started using such strong statements is to earn Bats some respect. Alot of people were disreguarding him as a non-factor. I think he would indeed give them both a run for there money. What makes you think he'd go down easy?

As for Spidey, I don't think he's ever beat a symbiote on an equal playing ground.

As for that crossover, you should probably accept it all or completely disreguard it. Batman still won after all.

Who said I didn't accept it? I accept exactly what happened in that book. Batman beat Carnage, but only because Joker helped him. To say otherwise is to ignore the whole truth. I accept that totally. That was actually one of the better crossovers out there. It presented Batman as what he really is. An incredibly skilled and capable human, but a human nonetheless. Him being human is what separates him from most other superheroes. Take that away and you take away what makes him Batman and ruin a great character. Also Spidey pimp slapped Joker(effortlessly KOing him by the way) in that one and it showed how good Spidey's aim is w/the webbing. You should read MK😖pidey's early issues. He's KOed the Green Goblin(beat him down and then bashed him over the head w/a mailbox. E-C-W E-C-W E-C-W🙂), beat up the guy who won the Venom symbiote in an auction, and then did the same to Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion who was the symbiote's new host. Bats is getting plenty of respect here. Unfortunately, he's up against two(2) murderers that are way faster, way stronger, way more durable and can stretch the symbiotes outward. I respect Batman and think he'd defeat them w/prep-time. There's no-prep here. In less than ten seconds there'll be nothing left of Batman but broken bones and bloody meat. He can't give 1 of them a run for their money. He gonna be much worse off with 2.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Who said I didn't accept it? I accept exactly what happened in that book. Batman beat Carnage, but only because Joker helped him. To say otherwise is to ignore the whole truth. I accept that totally. That was actually one of the better crossovers out there. It presented Batman as what he really is. An incredibly skilled and capable human, but a human nonetheless. Him being human is what separates him from most other superheroes. Take that away and you take away what makes him Batman and ruin a great character. Also Spidey pimp slapped Joker(effortlessly KOing him by the way) in that one and it showed how good Spidey's aim is w/the webbing. You should read MK😖pidey's early issues. He's KOed the Green Goblin(beat him down and then bashed him over the head w/a mailbox. E-C-W E-C-W E-C-W🙂), beat up the guy who won the Venom symbiote in an auction, and then did the same to Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion who was the symbiote's new host. Bats is getting plenty of respect here. Unfortunately, he's up against two(2) murderers that are way faster, way stronger, way more durable and can stretch the symbiotes outward. I respect Batman and think he'd defeat them w/prep-time. There's no-prep here. In less than ten seconds there'll be nothing left of Batman but broken bones and bloody meat. He can't give 1 of them a run for their money. He gonna be much worse off with 2.

What makes you think he can't give one of them a run for there money? He does usually carry enough devices that produce there weakness to hold them off for a while. I'd say without prep he'd manage to give one of them a fight they'll never forget and 2 of them a good five minutes.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
What makes you think he can't give one of them a run for there money?
The crossover that YOU brought up. The one in which Carnage was on Batman like white on rice before he could do anything to stop him.

Originally posted by brainchild81
The crossover that YOU brought up. The one in which Carnage was on Batman like white on rice before he could do anything to stop him.

The same one where Batman whipped Carnage?

Here's the part where you say it was all cause of Joker and then I sarcastically say...

Oooo a distraction, Batman's never used a distraction in a fight before!

Batman Wins. End of story 😮‍💨

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
The same one where Batman whipped Carnage?

Here's the part where you say it was all cause of Joker and then I sarcastically say...

Oooo a distraction, Batman's never used a distraction in a fight before!

Please keep your fanboyism in check, Merc.🙂 This is Bats taking advantage of a distraction(I'd have done the same in his situation). It's not like Batman caused the distraction. Before Joker's involvement Bats was a goner. You don't wanna admit that do you?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Please keep your fanboyism in check, Merc.🙂 This is Bats taking advantage of a distraction(I'd have done the same in his situation). It's not like Batman caused the distraction. Before Joker's involvement Bats was a goner. You don't wanna admit that do you?

Don't get sassy with me, I implied Batman COULD have caused a distraction. He is the second best escape artist DC for crap's sake.

He didn't. He couldn't do much in that situation but pray. Batman's escape artist skills are top-notch. Too bad they won't come in handy in this fight.

Originally posted by brainchild81
He didn't. He couldn't do much in that situation but pray. Batman's escape artist skills are top-notch. Too bad they won't come in handy in this fight.

I just don't understand what would make you say something like that.

The Carnage crossover was good for being a 10 second type battle, but I think in a far more detailed battle where they could actually have a book to themselves you'd be proven wrong.