Apparently, Gay's can reform.

i swear, i am going from agnostic to aethiest by the day.
the more i hear this self rightouse christian bullshit, telling everyone they
are evil when they are hurting nobody and only being themselves...it pisses me off.

remember that god loves us all and *ahem* let he is without sin cast the first stone. judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

being a good person is what the bible is about. rednecks exploit the negative rather than accentuate the posative...its faith killing. how can you declare what god thinks based on gospels loosly translated over thousands of years by those who held absolute power.

absolute power corrupts absolutely and thus i feel the bible is partly corrupted.
besides, if you cant live your own life and be a good person without judging those who are not hurting others, then you have issues. lots and lots of americans seem to have issues....

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Except how do you know that it's a miracle, and not just coincidence?

Hey Stardust,
I can only tell you from my own experience. Everyone has their own. I grew up in a house where the name Jesus was never mentioned. I never even knew that Jesus was the son of God. I was ignorant. I had a pretty violent child hood, resulting in me needing to leave home at the age of 13. I was sent to my real fathers to live, A man that I barely knew. My step Mother couldn't handle me, so then I was sent to live with my grandmother. I became an acoholic at the age of 14 and started using drugs at the age of 16. I was out of control. Weird things started to happen, like getting up with hangovers and getting the weird urge to go to church. No idea why!!! None of my friends were going,... I was completely by myself. Then I showed up again,... and a women asked me to go to the front for prayer,.. I didn't want to go, but did. I was scared. The preacher layed his hands on me and prayed for me. To make a long story short, I completely changed from that point, and have been clean for over 7 years.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Christianity is NOT the oldest religion out there. Isee you've been getting your facts from the bible again. I mean, look at the Jews! "Jesus" was a Jew! So, that's one that has you beaten, chronologically speaking.

Tell me,... what's the oldest religion then???

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
Ok, wait a minute. Your post confused me. I'm talking about the gospels of real people being a witness to their every day activities with Jesus. Seeing his miracles, ect...

So am I. The gospels were not written by people who witnessed Christ's miracles. You presumably know that Paul never met Jesus. Mark, the earliest gospel, is allegedly written by Peter's companion, who did not travel with Jesus. Luke was written something like forty years after Jesus' death, almost certainly not by somebody who knew Jesus personally. John was definitely written too late to be authored by somebody who travelled with Jesus. And so forth.

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
Tell me,... what's the oldest religion then???

Did you read lil b's post?

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
Hey Stardust,
I can only tell you from my own experience. Everyone has their own. I grew up in a house where the name Jesus was never mentioned. I never even knew that Jesus was the son of God. I was ignorant. I had a pretty violent child hood, resulting in me needing to leave home at the age of 13. I was sent to my real fathers to live, A man that I barely knew. My step Mother couldn't handle me, so then I was sent to live with my grandmother. I became an acoholic at the age of 14 and started using drugs at the age of 16. I was out of control. Weird things started to happen, like getting up with hangovers and getting the weird urge to go to church. No idea why!!! None of my friends were going,... I was completely by myself. Then I showed up again,... and a women asked me to go to the front for prayer,.. I didn't want to go, but did. I was scared. The preacher layed his hands on me and prayed for me. To make a long story short, I completely changed from that point, and have been clean for over 7 years.

That's what you believe, fine. But you cannot use personal experience as proof.

so because religion was your solution, it must be forced on everyone?

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Oldest religion out there...HA! Jesus supposedly lived 2000 years ago, so Christianity is less than 2000 years old. Jesus was a Jew, according to the bible. So Judaism HAD to have been around before Christianity. There are many many religions that are older than Christianity.

Christianity was around before Jesus. The new Testiment testified of his coming.

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
Hey Stardust,
I can only tell you from my own experience. Everyone has their own. I grew up in a house where the name Jesus was never mentioned. I never even knew that Jesus was the son of God. I was ignorant. I had a pretty violent child hood, resulting in me needing to leave home at the age of 13. I was sent to my real fathers to live, A man that I barely knew. My step Mother couldn't handle me, so then I was sent to live with my grandmother. I became an acoholic at the age of 14 and started using drugs at the age of 16. I was out of control. Weird things started to happen, like getting up with hangovers and getting the weird urge to go to church. No idea why!!! None of my friends were going,... I was completely by myself. Then I showed up again,... and a women asked me to go to the front for prayer,.. I didn't want to go, but did. I was scared. The preacher layed his hands on me and prayed for me. To make a long story short, I completely changed from that point, and have been clean for over 7 years.

That's a nice story. I have one too. When I was three years old I figured out that I liked other boys. See, that was when I figured out I was gay. I then proceeded to spend the next 18 years of my life being ashamed and feeling guilty. I never felt like there was something wrong with me, I was just worried that I would loose my friends and family. At this point, (I'm 25 now and came out when I was 21) I make no apologies for it. I am who I am. I am what I am, and no one in this world will ever force me to be less than that EVER again.

In my earlier post, I said that it was my experience. I also said that I don't want to control anyones thinking. All I can do, is give my testimony and what you choose to believe is your choice. What I'm saying is that it was my proof. That's all I can give you from me. Is my own proof.

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
Christianity was around before Jesus. The new Testiment testified of his coming.

Christ, you are the most uninformed Christian I have EVER encountered! Are you trading emails with Jackie?

😂

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's a nice story. I have one too. When I was three years old I figured out that I liked other boys. See, that was when I figured out I was gay. I then proceeded to spend the next 18 years of my life being ashamed and feeling guilty. I never felt like there was something wrong with me, I was just worried that I would loose my friends and family. At this point, (I'm 25 now and came out when I was 21) I make no apologies for it. I am who I am. I am what I am, and no one in this world will ever force me to be less than that EVER again.

You act as if because your gay and I'm a Christian that I'm going to put you down. Maybe other Christians have, but we are all with sin. (This is my oppinions) I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do, concerning your family and friends. I understand pain, ect. The main thing that I've learned in my life, is that people will let you down, but God won't.

just the word says it all: CHRIST-ianity
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WOW

Capt Fantastic and PVS -- hysterical

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
You act as if because your gay and I'm a Christian that I'm going to put you down. Maybe other Christians have, but we are all with sin. (This is my oppinions) I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do, concerning your family and friends. I understand pain, ect. The main thing that I've learned in my life, is that people will let you down, but God won't.

what if he does not feel that he is sinning?
why is it so christian to politely insult others?

"no no, you can be gay, im not judging you...we all do lowlife scummy things every now and then"

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I believe we all sin. Not in just one way. This is what I believe. If you don't believe that, then that's fine. I do! Is that okay that I do??

yes, we all sin...ok got that.

but you invoke that point in order to insinuate that being gay
is living in sin, not just commiting a sin here and there, but LIVING in sin...thus evil. lets not try to sugar coat it.

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
I believe we all sin. Not in just one way. This is what I believe. If you don't believe that, then that's fine. I do! Is that okay that I do??

I don't believe any of this threads main contributers are disputing the rights for each individuals opinions, just the way certain persons are exploiting them.

This has gotten off topic... you are entitled to beleive what you believe. But, when you try get that made into law, ie: constitutional ban of gay marriage or "curing gayness", you cross a line.

If your denomination hates gays, well, dont let them marry in your church. If there is someone else who would marry them, let them do that... dont get the gov't invovled by trying to constitutionaly ban them, keep church and state separate and let them do their own thing. Quit trying to save everybody.

There are a bunch of churchs where they could marry, like the Episcopal Church is pretty accepting... as I said earlier, the church my parents goes to has a gay priest... not a big deal. Or a in a court room or whatever.

Why must these conservative christian groups impose their idea of what marriage is on all people here in the States?