Apparently, Gay's can reform.

Originally posted by CHRISSY1
You act as if because your gay and I'm a Christian that I'm going to put you down. Maybe other Christians have, but we are all with sin. (This is my oppinions) I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do, concerning your family and friends. I understand pain, ect. The main thing that I've learned in my life, is that people will let you down, but God won't.

Do you believe that I should be allowed to marry my boyfriend?

If yes, then by all means, stop listening to anything I have to say. Because you're the most open minded christian that I have met.

If no, then you do not believe that I should have the same rights as everyone else in this country. I mean, Midgets can get married. Mentally handicapped people can get married, even Britney Spears can get married. So, why can't my boyfriend and I, two people in a monogamous and loving relationship, get married and enjoy the same benefits that straight couples(or midgets, etc) do? I'm not talking about tax breaks. I'm talking about making descisions for me.

What if he and I get in a horrible car accident in a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage? He is my family, my husband, and he won't be allowed to see me or pull the plug if it comes to that?!

It's bullshit. The reasoning behind it is bullshit! And the logic simply doesn't exist to support it.

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
This has gotten off topic... you are entitled to beleive what you believe. But, when you try get that made into law, ie: constitutional ban of gay marriage or "curing gayness", you cross a line.

If your denomination hates gays, well, dont let them marry in your church. If there is someone else who would marry them, let them do that... dont get the gov't invovled by trying to constitutionaly ban them, keep church and state separate and let them do their own thing. Quit trying to save everybody.

There are a bunch of churchs where they could marry, like the Episcopal Church is pretty accepting... as I said earlier, the church my parents goes to has a gay priest... not a big deal. Or a in a court room or whatever.

Why must these conservative christian groups impose their idea of what marriage is on all people here in the States?

What no one seems to realize is that churches are private organizations. They will NEVER be made to do anything they don't want to do. Now, a court marriage would HAVE to be allowed, even if the Judge doesn't agree with gay marriage, because it is a public court...funded by the government. But a church is a totally different matter.

Originally posted by wicker_man
I don't believe any of this threads main contributers are disputing the rights for each individuals opinions, just the way certain persons are exploiting them.

THANK YOU.

thats exactly the problem...bible beaters focus their attack on what they call 'evil' based on THEIR beliefs. once confronted, the religious freak will spin it around and make THEM out to be the one attacked, and say innocently "its just what i believe...why are you attacking me?"

from attacker to attacked

judging others based solely on religious belief is persecution, and shameful.

Since homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, there is nothing to cure. A few therapists claim that they can cure gay people of their homosexual desires, but their methods remain extremely questionable and rarely, if ever, have resulted in permanently changing anybody's sexual orientation (Haldeman, 1994).

According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals.

The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

The American Medical Association "does not recommend aversion therapy for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."

The American Psychiatric Association states: "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation." The American Psychiatric Association also states: "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so."

^^^^^
BRAVO!!!!😄
thanks for being the first poster to bring data to the table.

now after all that trouble you went through to bring us this information, watch how it is completely avoided and outright ignored by CERTAIN people. 🙄

^^^^^^
Couldn't agree more, i doubt you are gonna get any strong opposing opinions on that statement (Adam PoE, that is).

had to pull this one out...

Scarpa says: This thread sucks. This is is over run by liberal fanatics and people that have all been brainwhashed by the liberal left.

and one for JM 😂

Originally posted by Scarpa
Scarpa says: This thread sucks. This is is over run by liberal fanatics and people that have all been brainwhashed by the liberal left.

see what i mean? data completely ignored by the 'ignorant and proud'

And no captain nobodys gonna let you marry unless you move to massachustes most people are agaisnt it so it's not gonna happin

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, there is nothing to cure. A few therapists claim that they can cure gay people of their homosexual desires, but their methods remain extremely questionable and rarely, if ever, have resulted in permanently changing anybody's sexual orientation (Haldeman, 1994).

According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals.

The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

The American Medical Association "does not recommend aversion therapy for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."

The American Psychiatric Association states: "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation." The American Psychiatric Association also states: "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so."

i say we continually repost this, so it doesnt get lost in a sea of redneck bullshit.

Originally posted by Scarpa
Scarpa says: This thread sucks. This is is over run by liberal fanatics and people that have all been brainwhashed by the liberal left.

I dunno where you are quoting from but i'm certainly not being 'brainwashed' by any political faction.

Ok we could all use religious, political and ethical quotes to back up our argument but to do that then we'd need have some reason why we are even bothering to pursue this line of argument - 'political brainwashing' ?, 'religious brainwashing'?, 'media & ethical brainwashing'? no its because we feel strongly in something.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, there is nothing to cure. A few therapists claim that they can cure gay people of their homosexual desires, but their methods remain extremely questionable and rarely, if ever, have resulted in permanently changing anybody's sexual orientation (Haldeman, 1994).

According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals.

The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

The American Medical Association "does not recommend aversion therapy for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."

The American Psychiatric Association states: "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation." The American Psychiatric Association also states: "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so."

Now you see why I love him? Wanna get married babe?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Now you see why I love him? Wanna get married babe?

If it is not offensive enough that we are in love, now we have the nerve to want to get married too. What is the world coming to?

Wow PVS you are very willing to like anyone's ideas.News flash there is something to cure and that is gays.And this is if they want too.People like you are telling them it is not a sickness making them belive it.
When it is.Shame on you!Some people in here like you don't have any brains!One advice for you in life. "must get new brain"JM

Originally posted by PVS
and one for JM 😂

lmao 😂

Lets hear it for the two people with no brain!YEA!LOL!JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Lets hear it for the two people with no brain!YEA!LOL!JM

LOL!! OMG YOUR SO FUNNY AND WITTY, GAYS IS A DISEASE YEAH!!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since homosexuality is not a disease or disorder, there is nothing to cure. A few therapists claim that they can cure gay people of their homosexual desires, but their methods remain extremely questionable and rarely, if ever, have resulted in permanently changing anybody's sexual orientation (Haldeman, 1994).

According to the American Psychological Association, no scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any therapies that attempt to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals.

The American Psychological Association Executive Director Dr. Raymond Fowler also states that "Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called conversion therapy are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help."

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation."

The American Medical Association "does not recommend aversion therapy for gay men and lesbians. Through psychotherapy, gay men and lesbians can become comfortable with their sexual orientation and understand the societal response to it."

The American Psychiatric Association states: "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change ones sexual orientation." The American Psychiatric Association also states: "gay men and lesbians who have accepted their sexual orientation positively are better adjusted than those who have not done so."

JM, read this if you can, and try to create a plausable retort to it besides saying "OMG YOU GUYS HAVE NO BRIANS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE GAY ISN"T A DISEASE LOLLLLL".