Originally posted by capt it upMeh I worked it out another way but this thing http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/flobi.html
thats still a hell of a lot weaker then hulks punches. I am not even sure falling from that hieght would be 685 mph. after a certain hieght the speed of the fall can't get any faster
Errrmm...Isn't terminal velocity for a human-sized-being with their arms extended somewhere around 120 miles per hour? Even in a 'dive,' I believe terminal velocity is somewhere around 200 miles per hour.
That would leave us with the ROUGH approximation of 90 meters/second. Multiplied by Wolverine's mass (136 KG) gives us 12 kilonewtons. Ha. Twelve kilonewtons?
Do the math. A hulk punch would be FAR more devastating.
Well, at least, assuming he is punching at full speed, and Wolverine doesn't roll with the blow. AND, since the hulk's fist has a surface area smaller than that of Wolverine's body, the impact of the blow would be more devastating than the fall.
Wolverine survives a three mile drop.
But that doesn't matter, as we have already seen Wolverine can EASILY detect where nightcrawler will teleport.
Oh it's already been brought it...
Yeh I googled that too.. but like I said I wasn't taking into account drag... so disregard that figure I guess.
However someone's forgotten that force = mass x acceleration or in this case deceleration... does it take Wolverine a full second to impact with the ground? Probably not.
Now considering Wolverine is roughly twice the density of a human his terminal velocity is higher... playing with a Stoke's law calculator gives:
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Terminal Velocity 165.64371 m/s
Equivalent "K" 3.83272 m/s
Reynolds Number 0.57448687E+07 Turbulent
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Particle Diameter 0.5 m
Particle Density 140 lb/ft³
Fluid Density 1.2 kg/m³
Fluid Viscosity 0.0000173 N.s/m²
So likely in the hundreds of kiloNewtons to megaNewton or so range in terms of force of impact.
Is that going to kill him of course not... after all he takes punches from the Hulk... meanwhile Lady Deathstrike stabs him in the heart and he keels over... Does it hurt him enough for Kurt to port there and do it again... and again... and again... I'd say so...
Wolverine without any precognitive or telepathic abilities is going to predict where Kurt is going to appear if he teleports more than once in sequentially? I won't doubt that it's happened... people tend to just walk into his claws....
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIs that going to kill him of course not... after all he takes punches from the Hulk... meanwhile Lady Deathstrike stabs him in the heart and he keels over... Does it hurt him enough for Kurt to port there and do it again... and again... and again... I'd say so...
You are right, of course, that the fall would create more impact than my (admittedly very rough) estimation, but regardless of that fact, you still attest that the fall won't kill him.
But then again, you argue that Kurt would be able to do it REPEATEDLY without Wolverine getting at least one lucky hit? On a person who he has been shown to be able to 'detect'?
I'd say not....
Heh, though I do agree that people tend to throw themselves upon (And HEAVILY job to) Wolverine. But in Kurt's case, I'm pretty sure Logan will take the majority regardless.
Do I think he would against Lobo, Thanos, or the Surfer? Haha, that's a little drastic. I'm not Capt It Up, after all.
How exactly do they explain Wolverine being able to pre-empt someone travelling through an alternate dimension and reappearing in this one though?
Oh and I'd daresay he would be able to do it repeatedly since an impact at that speed would cause among other things severe brain damage, loss of pressure in the intraplural cavities, rupture of the atria and ventricles and tearing of the aortic arch and pulmonary arteries and multisystems organ failure. But then... yes he does take Hulk punches... 😕
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How exactly do they explain Wolverine being able to pre-empt someone travelling through an alternate dimension and reappearing in this one though?Oh and I'd daresay he would be able to do it repeatedly since an impact at that speed would cause among other things severe brain damage, loss of pressure in the intraplural cavities, rupture of the atria and ventricles and tearing of the aortic arch and pulmonary arteries and multisystems organ failure. But then... yes he does take Hulk punches... 😕
I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not.
In the case that it was, I don't understand. Do you think that a punch from the Hulk would not cause brain damage? Would not cause the entire collapse of all bodily functions? Do you think a punch from the Hulk would not immediately cause the implosion of the pericardial cavity and the severing of both the superior and inferior vena cava?
A 'Hulk punch' to a normal human would be akin to a bug on a windshield. A human should be liquified upon the Hulk's fist. Are we really going to say that a fall at terminal velocity would damage Wolverine (at all?) considering that normal HUMANS have survived free falls of over 20,000 feet? Yes, it is rare, but it has happened.
Meh.. I'm half serious half sarcastic... the serious part in that Hulk isn't damaging all the organs simultaneously... the sarcastic part in that I don't consider the Hulk thing very seriously...
If you want my thoughts on the Hulk punch thing you'll have to go back to a thread about 6 months... if you consider that as a standard then really we're at an impasse...
Hulk can lift a mountain but can't damage Wolverine enough to knock him out in a punch... either he's been seriously weakened in those showings compared to his many many other showings of strength (imo what happens to a lot of characters facing far weaker (very popular) characters so that a story can unfold)... or that Wolverine is weakened in many many other fights/storylines (imo implausible)...
On a relatively irrelevant side note I think recently in Uncanny the senility of CC got the better of him and Kurt teleported tens of miles.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh.. I'm half serious half sarcastic... the serious part in that Hulk isn't damaging all the organs simultaneously... the sarcastic part in that I don't consider the Hulk thing very seriously...If you want my thoughts on the Hulk punch thing you'll have to go back to a thread about 6 months... if you consider that as a standard then really we're at an impasse...
Hulk can lift a mountain but can't damage Wolverine enough to knock him out in a punch... either he's been seriously weakened in those showings compared to his many many other showings of strength (imo what happens to a lot of characters facing far weaker (very popular) characters so that a story can unfold)... or that Wolverine is weakened in many many other fights/storylines (imo implausible)...
On a relatively irrelevant side note I think recently in Uncanny the senility of CC got the better of him and Kurt teleported tens of miles.
You are right, of course. Characters are constantly amped up, and de-powered to fit the comic continuity. If the hulk needs to crack onslaught, he will, but if he needs to allow Wolverine to contine breathing, he will.
If Wolverine needs to stab thanos (*tear*!) while simultaneously surviving the surface of the sun AND several nuclear explosions, he will. If he needs to be put out of commission by a single bullet, he will.
'Plot induced stupidity' is rampant throughout comics, it has to be. Otherwise, they would eventually become boring re-hashes of the same thing. Over and over.
Or at least...probably.
Anyways, I don't consider it a 'standard,' I hate the fact that Wolverine's popularity leads to his CONSTANT powering up as a character. It's disgusting. And it is even more disgusting when he has fans that honestly believe that he could compete with those WAY out of his league (Go check out the Wonder Woman vs. Wolverine thread for a laugh :-P).
Meh, honestly? I would expect Wolverine to go down to kurt HARD. Logically, Kurt is just out of Wolverine's power set. But, (like pre crisis superman inventing new powers to suit himself) Wolverine suddenly got some form of precognition and could determine where Nightcrawler appears.
Ugh.
Oh well, Im not going to rant. This thread doesn't require ranting - I often play the devils advocate, and that may very well have been why I was arguing as I was earlier. I don't honestly KNOW my own opinion half the time. :-P.
Oh, Xmarks. I missed ya.
I agree completely with your theory, by the way. There's no reason why Kurt cannot continue to severely damage Wolverine in that way. And there's every reason why Wolvie shouldn't be able to touch Nightcrawler, and ESPECIALLY him being able to detect where NC will appear next.
If anything, doesn't an excessive amount of BAMFing leave Wolverine's senses (mostly smell and such) stunned and at a disadvantage? Since the sulfur and brimstone smell is so damn strong and Wolverine's senses are far more sensitive than most.
Originally posted by SoljerYes but wolverine is not the only comic book character subject to this be for some reason he is the most picked on. Batman, Spiderman, and CAPTAIN AMERICA have all been subject to this. I can half except the upgrades for Wolverine because remember he was first introduced as a Hulk enemy anyway.
You are right, of course. Characters are constantly amped up, and de-powered to fit the comic continuity. If the hulk needs to crack onslaught, he will, but if he needs to allow Wolverine to contine breathing, he will.If Wolverine needs to stab thanos (*tear*!) while simultaneously surviving the surface of the sun AND several nuclear explosions, he will. If he needs to be put out of commission by a single bullet, he will.
'Plot induced stupidity' is rampant throughout comics, it has to be. Otherwise, they would eventually become boring re-hashes of the same thing. Over and over.
Or at least...probably.
Anyways, I don't consider it a 'standard,' I hate the fact that Wolverine's popularity leads to his CONSTANT powering up as a character. It's disgusting. And it is even more disgusting when he has fans that honestly believe that he could compete with those WAY out of his league (Go check out the Wonder Woman vs. Wolverine thread for a laugh :-P).
Meh, honestly? I would expect Wolverine to go down to kurt HARD. Logically, Kurt is just out of Wolverine's power set. But, (like pre crisis superman inventing new powers to suit himself) Wolverine suddenly got some form of precognition and could determine where Nightcrawler appears.
Ugh.
Oh well, Im not going to rant. This thread doesn't require ranting - I often play the devils advocate, and that may very well have been why I was arguing as I was earlier. I don't honestly KNOW my own opinion half the time. :-P.
Originally posted by Grimm22
If its just falling then its not going to hurt Logan that bad.
Sure it will. Do you know how high up three miles is? Pretty damn high. When he hits the ground, his insides (brain, heart, lungs, etc.) will pretty much liquify. Sure, he'll heal again. But not instantly. And before the healing process can even take place, Nightcrawler already has him dropping from another three mile height. Liquifying his liquified organs.
Hmm...Nightcrawler could even use his teleporting to make Logan's fall that much faster. As soon as Logan reaches terminal velocity for his body, NC can teleport to him, makes contact with him, and instantly teleport him five feet from the ground. Anyone who knows Nightcrawler knows that whatever he teleports (including himself if he does it incorrectly) carries the same momentum they had before teleporting. Which basically means he can cause Logan to hit the ground at terminal velocity from five feet high, after a subsantial fall first, of course.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sure it will. Do you know how high up three miles is? Pretty damn high. When he hits the ground, his insides (brain, heart, lungs, etc.) will pretty much liquify. Sure, he'll heal again. But not instantly. And before the healing process can even take place, Nightcrawler already has him dropping from another three mile height. Liquifying his liquified organs.Hmm...Nightcrawler could even use his teleporting to make Logan's fall that much faster. As soon as Logan reaches terminal velocity for his body, NC can teleport to him, makes contact with him, and instantly teleport him five feet from the ground. Anyone who knows Nightcrawler knows that whatever he teleports (including himself if he does it incorrectly) carries the same momentum they had before teleporting. Which basically means he can cause Logan to hit the ground at terminal velocity from five feet high, after a subsantial fall first, of course.
Kurt could just drop logan from 45 miles up then as soon as he hits the ground do it again 😛
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sure it will. Do you know how high up three miles is? Pretty damn high. When he hits the ground, his insides (brain, heart, lungs, etc.) will pretty much liquify. Sure, he'll heal again. But not instantly. And before the healing process can even take place, Nightcrawler already has him dropping from another three mile height. Liquifying his liquified organs.Hmm...Nightcrawler could even use his teleporting to make Logan's fall that much faster. As soon as Logan reaches terminal velocity for his body, NC can teleport to him, makes contact with him, and instantly teleport him five feet from the ground. Anyone who knows Nightcrawler knows that whatever he teleports (including himself if he does it incorrectly) carries the same momentum they had before teleporting. Which basically means he can cause Logan to hit the ground at terminal velocity from five feet high, after a subsantial fall first, of course.
If thats the case then wouldnt Nightcrawler go splat aswell?
Originally posted by Soljer\
Do I think he would against Lobo, Thanos, or the Surfer? Haha, that's a little drastic. I'm not Capt It Up, after all.
Originally posted by Sparkz
If thats the case then wouldnt Nightcrawler go splat aswell?
The 'theory' goes that Nightcrawler starts on the ground, touches Logan, Teleports X many miles up, and then Teleports back to the ground before he picked up any real speed. Nightcrawler lands on his feet, with a light 'thump,' and Wolverine bounces once or twice (after a few seconds, of course :-P).
Then, assuming that Logan heals, Nightcrawler simply does it again. And again.
And again.
Ad infinitum
However, what is a VERY good strategy could be contested by Logans apparent E.S.P. when dealing with nightcrawler. Next he'll have a spider sense, and radar. Then, maybe if that scores a few more fans, he'll be able to turn his skin into adamantium, and survive a fusion bomb.
wolverine senses have always been shown to be able to prodict attacks. he has been prodictiong night crawlers attacks from day one. also night crawler in his own series stated the move he usesed on demond posses wolverine would never work on real wolverine actaully he went as far to say that none of it would work on wolverine controlling his own body.
...I don't see what you are arguing here, I may have made light of Wolverine's abilities, but I certainly said that he had them. From my first post in this thread, I mentioned the fact that Nightcrawler's teleporting 'exit,' was pre-knowledge for Wolverine.
Also, I fail to see how your constant 'Loganrocks' comments back up anything you say. I was innocent of your accusations, the moderators found me so; and imagining that I would be offended by something so pathetic as some belittling from a prepubescent kid who wishes night and day to be a hairy midget with anger issues - right!
Hell, most people reading wouldn't even have a clue as to the incident you are referring to, so you are really hurting no one but yourself. Though, I suppose since that is the case; continue to do so! By all means, I will only continue to smack you down with each time you throw out random, blatantly-incorrect, accusations.
Originally posted by Soljer
...I don't see what you are arguing here, I may have made light of Wolverine's abilities, but I certainly said that he had them. From my first post in this thread, I mentioned the fact that Nightcrawler's teleporting 'exit,' was pre-knowledge for Wolverine.Also, I fail to see how your constant 'Loganrocks' comments back up anything you say. I was innocent of your accusations, the moderators found me so; and imagining that I would be offended by something so pathetic as some belittling from a prepubescent kid who wishes night and day to be a hairy midget with anger issues - right!
Hell, most people reading wouldn't even have a clue as to the incident you are referring to, so you are really hurting no one but yourself. Though, I suppose since that is the case; continue to do so! By all means, I will only continue to smack you down with each time you throw out random, blatantly-incorrect, accusations.
you started this with the stupid personal attack on me for pritty much no reason which it the norm for you I know , but it gets quite annoying for you to say in ever single thread some thing about me being a fanboy or saying I think Logan beats thanos which is not true at all mr.loganrocks tell your brother I say hi