Yasser Arafat

Originally posted by Raz
It was the Jewish revolt against the Romans that caused the mass expulsion of Jews by the Romans.

Come back once you've read your history, and once you've figured out that Israel is an unwanted occupier, who wants to rule a people who do not want to be ruled by them. Oh, and stop watching Fox News 😐

Before Rome there was the Pelapinisian War. 😐 Greece and Persia. 😐 maybe you need to get a little deeper and stop assuming things. the Rome you are talking about was after 0 A.D. I am talking far before that....

Originally posted by KharmaDog
[B]When isreal was created, they illegally forced millions of palestineans out of their homes, and took over their land. By all rights, isreal should still belong to the palestineans.

Dangerous logic there eleven. If we are looking at populations that have been wronged and ousted from their homeland you'd have to look at the Nations of the Native Americans first.

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Exactly. Most of the USA should legally belong to the Native Americans. The US predident (some time in the 1800's I think) signed a treaty which legally gave up all rights that the colonialists had to the native american's land. They promised that if the natives stoppped attacking them, then the colonial immigrats would not try to take their land. It was a legally binding document. But then they broke their promise as soon as they realised that some of the places in central north america had gold in them.

Not only did the ILLIGAL immigrants from the US take away the land, they forced the natives onto tiny reservations and killed off any of them who refused to move out of their homes.

THe easy way to make sure that there IS peace in the middle east is for a 3rd party to invade and destroy BOTH the isrelis and the palesinians.

THe easy way to make sure that there IS peace in the middle east is for a 3rd party to invade and destroy BOTH the isrelis and the palesinians

there will never be peace in the middle East. Did you hear me? NEVER. If history has taught us one thing, it is that there are no middle grounds when it comes to religoun, the strongest side gets to worship what they want in peace. No one over there even knows why they are fighting anymore, it is just an inbred hate twords each other. The only way peace would have some possiblity of prevailing in the middle east is if the jews left. The Jews are like Cristopher Columbus when it comes to IRaq. The only time these people are at peace, is when they are killing each other. Sorry, but it is the truth. Arafat diddnt do shit for anyone, he took his people to the door of the promised land, and said see... that is where we will never be.

For there to be peace in the middle east:

Spoiler:
NUKE THE PLACE

Then nobody will want to live there

I say we skip to Nuclear war right now. It's going to happen, why not just Get it over with and welcome the age of three headed green mutants with open arms.

and welcome the age of three headed green mutants with open arms.

Originally posted by WindDancer
From what I understand the removal will include civilians and certain Military personal in the area. The withdrawl will begin next summer. I don't have numbers or statistics, but Israel will control the boarder and the costline until the Palestinian leadership guarantees that there won't any more suicide attacks on Isralean residents. From a geographical view it is rather tiny compare to the West Bank, but at least it seems like a good way to start. This could take many years, and who really knows if it will help stop the violence.

I wouldn't call this a good way to Start WD, I think Sharron is just giving the Palestinians the Gaza-strip because that way when ever he has to negotiate with them again he can say he already gave them a huge gift (since most of his own party is against it it's kinda true from his point of view) and as you said yourself Israel will control the broarder and the coastline until... No palestinian leadership will be able to guarantee that in the near future. IMO this is just a very empty gift.

Stopping this violence will not be easy and will take a long time, it wobn't happen untill we get 3 leaders who are willing to make it work (1 palestinian, 1 israeli and 1 american president)

wow, i see people talking about nuking them all, huh?
you know thats genocide right?

it's an idiotic idea

Shame that the middle east, basically were civilisation began, has ended up in such a way. I can hope it gets better, but I am doubtful, with such bitter political rivalry based on bitter religious rivalry there looks to be very few avenues for peace.

Originally posted by PVS
wow, i see people talking about nuking them all, huh?
you know thats genocide right?

And you know we were only joking, right?

its a lame joke

Considering that as soon as Isreal was created the Arabic nations allied together and all attacked Isreal, and each and everytime Isreal handed them thier ass' in a paper bag they should be intitiled to the tiny sliver of land they retained. If the isrealis were looking to conquer they could have kept everything they conquered in the Six Day war. The Arabs gambled and lost.... now there just like a bunch of drunkin hobos trying to complain to the world about a 72 mile long piece of land they lost in war.

well I'm not gonna start about the history of Israel cause that would be a pointless discussion

as for as israel giving back the occupied territories (not only to the palestinians) I think they would be a lot safer if they did it, now I can understand why the israeli's are not inclined to do so. But it would greatly improve stability in the region

they shouldn't have lost ANYTHING in the first place!
the country is NOT for isreal in the first place, they shouldn't be there

it does not matter one single bit if you think 72 miles is big or not, it should not have happened in the first place. YOU can go and find a place for them

that's what I tried to avoid. It's done now we can't change it back

Originally posted by Fire
I wouldn't call this a good way to Start WD, I think Sharron is just giving the Palestinians the Gaza-strip because that way when ever he has to negotiate with them again he can say he already gave them a huge gift (since most of his own party is against it it's kinda true from his point of view) and as you said yourself Israel will control the broarder and the coastline until... No palestinian leadership will be able to guarantee that in the near future. IMO this is just a very empty gift.

Stopping this violence will not be easy and will take a long time, it wobn't happen untill we get 3 leaders who are willing to make it work (1 palestinian, 1 israeli and 1 american president)

It may not be a good way, but still is a start into something. No matter to what length the argument might come to, the main objective of the peace process is that the Israli settlers and the soldiers that protect them to move out of the terrorities. Sharron argue intensively with his parliment to get at least something going. It may seen like empty gift, but still is a beginning to something positive. Once the settlers move out it is most likely that the Military personal will move out eventually out the strip.

Indeed, the violence will not stop suddenly but if everything works out the attacks will eventually get lesser and lesser. Another thing you said in another posts is that there is no point in going back into Origins of the Conflict. No point in that really, because sooner or later the argument will turn into a religious debate.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Another thing you said in another posts is that there is no point in going back into Origins of the Conflict. No point in that really, because sooner or later the argument will turn into a religious debate.

you saying you agree with that statement?