Master Chief vs Samus Aran

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I believe it takes 2 shots to expend 1 unit of energy (i refer solely to brute plasma rifle and regular).. unless its beam rifle or carbine, right?

and since there were no agreements.. just give chief the extra full clip, if its really that big of a deal.. considering all of you chief enthusiasts say he can headshot her with only 1 bullet..

edit : also, 1 clip of a battle rifle is alot apparently (enough to kill a spartan in-game). isnt it like 30 to 40 bullets per clip?..

Thanks for reading 😉

It's actually the other way around. Ammunition/dmg is actually more... "compacted" into the Human weapons then it is in Covenant Weapons. Area Effect Damage is different from base damage. And I have not yet said that he is so expert he can headshot her right away, nor am I a "Chief Enthusiast".

The "super headshot" skill that so many "Chief Enthusiasts" love to fall back on is actually more derived from the skill of the player. At one point, I could snipe almost instantaneously, all it took was the passing of the reticle NEAR the actual player. I could also headshot in close quarters, and have won several fights headshotting someone with a sword.

The battle rifle has 36 rounds.

so is anyone agreeing with or adding to the presented scenario?

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Those rules are pathetically and obviously biased. Of course she would win 😐

Actually I went back and rewrote them over the course of the post because I thought I gave Samus too big an advantage.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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I cannot beleive that this thing is still going on...

Snoop, I cant see the bias in those settings... those are completely even from what I can see (Well exept for the fact that Samus has unlimited energy for her basic beam weaponry... but thats cannon, thats how she plays...)

SSince he said fully equipped, be glad he didn't say Hyper Beam... 🙄

I could've been a total dick and let her have the Shinespark and the Spazer beam 😉

The FULL CLIP IS ALREADY IN.

That's not as little ammo as you seem to think, considering I'm breaking canon and letting MC hold EVERY GUN IN THE GAME rather than 2 at a time.

Also I specifically made it the surface of Talon IV so that Samus had very few if any morph ball crawl-spaces.

I don't understand something. Throughout the entire debate, Chief supporters have been quoting the books and using them to their advantage. Somebody finally points out that Samus has comics, and now I need to give scans? Where are the Halo book scans? Besides, it's copyrighted, I can't display it.

As for Chief dodging bullets, why doesn't he do it in-game? Samus at least shows her strength and shield recharging abilities in-game.

I never said that Samus without her suit was a cheat. As stated, in Metroid:Zero Mission for GBA, her suit gets destroyed and she is forced to infiltrate a space pirate mothership without her suit. And she CAN walljump in that part of the game. She also can take several hits from the pirates' guns.

In SSBM, the opening video shows her guns shooting much faster than in-game. Since consistency is apparantley unimportant, her shots are as fast as Chief's.

Samus' missles are not weak little things. She uses them to plow through solid rock in every Metroid game. They also have limited homing capabilities, so moving a few inches to the side won't work.

The fact is, this isn't a fair match. Chief would put up a good fight since his abilities are about equal, but Samus' superior technology makes her the definite winner.

samus finds the shine spark (j/k)

"I don't understand something. Throughout the entire debate, Chief supporters have been quoting the books and using them to their advantage. Somebody finally points out that Samus has comics, and now I need to give scans? Where are the Halo book scans?"

I would scan the book... But it would come out looking crap... Its a book! theres no pictures... Comics are mainly about the pictures! I quoted Straight from the book... Not a word was changed...

"As for Chief dodging bullets, why doesn't he do it in-game? Samus at least shows her strength and shield recharging abilities in-game."

Theres no way that HALO 2 Could of been an online playable game if they created chief as the books described him. and as stated before.... How are they gonner Amp up YOUR reactions????? Samus never really shows any strength to put her on a par with chief... Since when does SA shields recharge???

"I never said that Samus without her suit was a cheat. As stated, in Metroid:Zero Mission for GBA, her suit gets destroyed and she is forced to infiltrate a space pirate mothership without her suit. And she CAN walljump in that part of the game. She also can take several hits from the pirates' guns."

Ok she can jump.... and she can take a few hits... mc took a few plasma hits without his suit on as well...

"In SSBM, the opening video shows her guns shooting much faster than in-game. Since consistency is apparantley unimportant, her shots are as fast as Chief's."

SSBM is a game where SA shoots people and they don't die instanlty... She is just about on a par with mario in that game.....

"Samus' missles are not weak little things. She uses them to plow through solid rock in every Metroid game. They also have limited homing capabilities, so moving a few inches to the side won't work."

They don't have great homing... The amount of times they miss in the game...

"The fact is, this isn't a fair match. Chief would put up a good fight since his abilities are about equal, but Samus' superior technology makes her the definite winner."

This isn't all tech... Most of MC's main advantages don't come from the suit.... you just don't know enough about him to understand who your talking about...

i agree that mc wins,but i totally disagree when you say samus tech is lower than mc

Ok, please don't assume that I know nothing about Chief. I admit that I know more about Samus than Chief, but I play Halo, and have heard all the arguments in his favor.

You seem to be picking the best Chief abilities, dodging bullets in books, lifting tanks in game, etc, so I thought it was reasonable to pick the best of Samus's abilities ex: Her rapid firing in SSBM. In SSBM she can also take an unlimited amount of hits, and will only be sent flying, she won't die, so I thought it was reasonable not to include that ability.

Shield recharging has only been done once in Metroid, in Super Metroid. She can use her super bombs to refill her energy completely. This ability is called the Crystal Flash.

The fact that Chief has many abilities without his suit is a worthless argument, since they do have their suits. The Metroid comics also say that the suit is, in a way, part of her. It's bonded to her nervous system, so it is her body, or at least part of it.

Her strength level is pretty high, though it is not as obvious as Chief's. In Zero Mission, she has no problem lifting her body weight with one arm. The SSBM trophy states that her suit is very heavy, yet she can still perform inhuman acrobatic stunts. If we take Chief's in-game strength, sure he's stronger, but I could use your argument that they couldn't create a multiplayer mode if they repeatedly got stuck under vehicles. I can also say that bullet speed energy blasts would make Metroid too easy, so they decided not to use them.

If Chief even tried to hit her, she can use her Screw attack, which makes her invulnerable to any damage that would be sustained from a solid object.(Super Metroid) This can also make his bullets useless.

As for your direct book quotes, you can take almost anything and make it say what you want if you are only giving us a part of it. The statements could be completely out of context for all we know.

Do you know what would happen if samus tried to use MC suit???

lol she doesnt want to use his suit.. s'why she has her own.. 😬

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Do you know what would happen if samus tried to use MC suit???

She never would because his suit can't curl up into a ball, adapt easily, etc.?

Ok she can jump.... and she can take a few hits... mc took a few plasma hits without his suit on as well...

This isn't all tech... Most of MC's main advantages don't come from the suit.... you just don't know enough about him to understand who your talking about...

Samus never really shows any strength to put her on a par with chief...

"even burdened with her heavy suit, Samus is as graceful as a butterfly."

I think that tells us Samus has pretty impressive strength.

They don't have great homing... The amount of times they miss in the game...

Originally posted by MuffinmanMike

Samus' suit isn't about tech either. The space pirates have the exact method of how her suit curls up into a ball. The result? Tons of snapped spines. SAMUS is the one curling into an impossibly small ball. Her suit is the one holding her in that position and protecting her.

so do you think its a mystic property beyond tech? cuz I noticed in met prime it appears her 'soul' is encased in an armored ball... dunno if its just a fancy special effect or not though..

knows how to land from incredible heights to take no damage...

Heh, that reminds me.... MC does that in H2 also.

And his suit is adaptable, fairly easily.

Originally posted by Snoopbert
Heh, that reminds me.... MC does that in H2 also.

And his suit is adaptable, fairly easily.

Yep.. but didnt apply to halo 1...
not the 'first' inconsistency with the chief character mind you..

The main reason he takes falling damage is to stop you going out of bounds...

MC's suit is around a ton in weight as well...

Samus doesn't have the kinda strength MC has...

I believe we established very early on that MC's and Samus' respective suits would weigh roughly the same.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
The main reason he takes falling damage is to stop you going out of bounds...

MC's suit is around a ton in weight as well...

[b]Samus doesn't have the kinda strength MC has... [/B]

Bullshit. She's at LEAST as strong as he is.

so do you think its a mystic property beyond tech? cuz I noticed in met prime it appears her 'soul' is encased in an armored ball... dunno if its just a fancy special effect or not though..

Don't go runnning your mouth boy.... SA isn't strong at all... you got nothing to show she even knows any hand to hand moves...

I'll let you get away with alot of speculation...but you can't have her as strong as MC...

We can't, really? By whose rule exactly?

And since when has it been shown that Samus isn't strong? on just the last two pages plenty of arguments that are obviously valid have shown that Samus has great strength. She is at the very least equal to Chief in strength.