Master Chief vs Samus Aran

Originally posted by dark99
For some reason you think that the chief has so much more experience than Samus. Of course he is not going to blindly run at her, but if he ever did get within ten feet then he would get a nasty surpirize. And yes I do think that Samus' suit is more advanced than high charity it was developed by a race with no need of more technology. Do you think that chiefs suit is more advanced than the space pirate's computer network? So chief can wait. Samus can too. It's not like Chief will automatically be in a good position to snipe someone. Samus also will not just walk out and say shoot me. I guess if we are all assuming about the hacking part then it should be dropped as it is clear that we will never agree on that and neither of us has any reliable proof.

Did I say that Samus would be stupid enough to make herself an easy shot? And Chief's suit being more advanced than space pirate computer networks, I don't even know where you pulled that from. No, all I said that the Chief wouldn't be naive enough to try and snipe without knowing that he would hit.

Saying the Chozo had no more need of technology is pretty much bullshit. You know why? Because there is always room for improvement, at least in the technological factor. Tell me, if that's the case, that the Chozo had no more use of new technology, why didn't the Chozo make Samus's battlesuit perfect? Godlike? (And what killed the Chozo in the first place?) Surely if they had no more need of any more new technology, Samus would have been indestructible. But no, she's far from it. They could have at least give her power shields, but apparently not.

Originally posted by thegmeister
And the thing about Adam, if I remember correctly he was a soldier, how many soliders do we really know that have a personality when issuing orders? Did you expect him to be cracking jokes?

If you think that all soldiers are robots, then please join the army.

Originally posted by dark99

Ten, where the heck did you get that number. More like one point. Also Samus would only have to hit chief with roughly 8-9 power beam shots because that is about how many plasma shots it takes in halo. Not to mention what the plasma beam would do to him. Also the rapid fire weapons in halo are mainly close to medium range at which he would have four or five missles that would be following him.[/i]
One point, that's pretty biased, don't you think?

Maybe 3 points a shot. I'd say one clip from an SMG takes down a bar and a bit.

Before you all start bombarding me with nonsense blabber about how beams are far superior to guns, look how effective they were against the Covenant, even with their fancy-shit armor, shields, plasma weapons.

You're supposed to compare weaponry by how effective they are, the amount of damage they do. Not the year they were made. Samus's suit was made in the time where there were beams, not bullets. Thus stands to reason that her suit was rather protecting her more from weapony such as the Space Pirates have.

And Samus's suit is rather form fitting, no? Body hugging. Sure, the heat and radiation from beams would probably be refracted/reflected to a point, protecting her, but it won't stop bullets from punching. It doesn't matter if the metal is harder than adamantium or ten times harder. The bullet might not punch through, but it packs a lot of momentum unto itself and some of that momentum will punch through. So the Chief would be wise to aim for the parts where Samus's armor is thin, such as her legs, visor, or lower left arm.

It makes me wonder what a sniper bullet would do to her helmet, if it can punch through three, fully shielded, armoured Elite heads and lodge in a bulkhead. (Yes, I've actually done it once in the Metropolis level in Halo 2)
[quote]Originally poster by thegmeister
[b]Yes, if only Samus's wave beam could lock on AND disrupt the chief's armor. And you assume that all of his bullets will hit Samus. She is much to agile to be defeated that way and I would place their damage more around 5. Samus doesn't only have plasma she has a power beam, which is only a little slower than bullets. You don't follow up with your own rules. Chief is "a very good shot." If they are at a distance smgs won't do dick. By the time Chief would reload, he would be dead. And your philosophy on Halo is wrong. I don't believe that Chief is more powerful than Samus, but if we followed your rules, then it would be Halo> MC> Samus because Halo can wipe out all life. Master Chief is not impervious

It can disrupt Chief's armour, but it wouldn't hamper his weapons or his ability to move. The most that will happen is that he wouldn't be able to use any electronic functions of the suit, such as ammo indicators, shields(unless he also rebooted the system, which happens to take even less time than Samus's reboot)

You're also assuming, again, that Chief would actually bother to use SMGs at a distance. Yes, even if he had no other weapon, he would think to use the one he had to greatest effect. He'd try to get closer. (Spartans can run up to 55kph, just to let you know)

He would still be as strong as before; the strength of the suit comes from a reactive crystal layer rather than suit servo mechanisms.

Alright the wave buster doesn't just paralyze electrical equipment. It kills you. Cheif wouldn't be able to move as his nervous system is disrupted by a large amount of electricity flowing thorugh his body. At medium range you think that chief will hit with all of his shots. SAMUS CAN DODGE. She has the morph ball and space jump boots. Chief would also have to be dodging constant fire and five missles at a time. He would have a little bit more to think about than just aiming at his target. Samus has gotten hit by bullets and they only do one point of damage. The GF troopers that you fight in MP2 use bullets and their weapons are infused with dark energy so if those do one point per shot than chief's might do even less. The bullets will probably be stopped by the shield before they impact her armor so she wouldn't feel very much from that. If chief ever gets into a position where he can snipe, Samus could just use the speed dash or screw attack to get closer. Her morph ball boost would probably work too.

There has never been said that the Chozos are dead.
SA visited DESERTED temples, there were no graves, no corpses, just a few ghosts protecting speciall areas of the temples.
So the right question is: why did they desert their colonies? The answer is probably the SP's.
SA's suit was built before they said: **** technology.
And why do you think covenant tech is the same as Chozo tech? Why would low tech work on high tech?
Would MC even survive getting crushed by the giant Ing worms from MP2, would "power shields" help him survive that?
Why wouldnt he just get vaporized by a fully charged plasma beam (mp)
, while his shields cant stand against a flame thrower?
55kph is far from as fast as the speed of sound, so SA can just end the fight with Sonic boom (like, the most powerfull attack in mp2)and it wont miss considering that SA has a targeting computer, does MC have one? No and those that make him look low tech?Yes, clearly.

Originally posted by dark99
Alright the wave buster doesn't just paralyze electrical equipment. It kills you. Cheif wouldn't be able to move as his nervous system is disrupted by a large amount of electricity flowing thorugh his body. At medium range you think that chief will hit with all of his shots. SAMUS CAN DODGE. She has the morph ball and space jump boots. Chief would also have to be dodging constant fire and five missles at a time. He would have a little bit more to think about than just aiming at his target. Samus has gotten hit by bullets and they only do one point of damage. The GF troopers that you fight in MP2 use bullets and their weapons are infused with dark energy so if those do one point per shot than chief's might do even less. The bullets will probably be stopped by the shield before they impact her armor so she wouldn't feel very much from that. If chief ever gets into a position where he can snipe, Samus could just use the speed dash or screw attack to get closer. Her morph ball boost would probably work too.

Chief won't be affected by the so called electricity.

He has a gel layer in his suit. And gel is an extremely good insulator, if I rightly recall.

And did I say that the Chief would be able to hit Samus with all his shots? And if so, where? You're assuming again.
And how do you know that they're bullets?
Considering that Samus's puny little emergency pistol(which is used in Metroid: Zero Mission and is human manufactured) is rather a beam weapon than a bullet weapon, it doesn't make sense.

Excuse me, we're talking sniper distance here.

That's 1.5km, minimum.
I've seen Morph Ball boost while playing MP2 Multiplayer, and she'll need several pads first of all, which stands out like a sore thumb. And they'll have to be aimed precisely at where Chief is standing beforehand, which will take a major quirk of fate, not to mention a lot of luck.

I've also seen speed dash when I played M: Fusion. At the rate that that ability is, my estimate how that ability is 30 kph at most. And she slows to a still if she crashes into something and slows if she makes a turn. This means that she'll have to run in a straight line, and probably across open ground too. This will make her only a slightly less difficult target to shoot, if Chief can figure out a pattern.

I've seen screw attack being used to travel in MP2, and that's the only thing that travels fast enough. Nothing can hit her as well, so that's probably her best bet. But Chief's not stupid either, he'll probably stand in her trajectory and dodge before she lands, throw down a plasma grenade to distract, and take off like a shot.

Can Samus dodge bullets? If not, she's able to duck, weave to stay a moving target. Moving targets are difficult to hit, but not impossible.
And Samus can't track with her cannon while spacejumping and dodge at the same time. It only lets her strafe side to side(Controls from MP2 Multiplayer) and even then it feels snail-slow. And of course, she can't use her cannon in morph ball mode(She's still a rather large target anyways, and moving at a speed that Chief can track). So I dunno where you got all the nonsense of Chief having to dodge beams and missiles while Samus was also dodging from. And Chief can easily run out of the way of Morph Ball bombs.

Originally posted by IcePunk
There has never been said that the Chozos are dead.
SA visited DESERTED temples, there were no graves, no corpses, just a few ghosts protecting speciall areas of the temples.
So the right question is: why did they desert their colonies? The answer is probably the SP's.
SA's suit was built before they said: **** technology.
And why do you think covenant tech is the same as Chozo tech? Why would low tech work on high tech?
Would MC even survive getting crushed by the giant Ing worms from MP2, would "power shields" help him survive that?
Why wouldnt he just get vaporized by a fully charged plasma beam (mp)
, while his shields cant stand against a flame thrower?
55kph is far from as fast as the speed of sound, so SA can just end the fight with Sonic boom (like, the most powerfull attack in mp2)and it wont miss considering SA has a targeting computer, does MC have one? No and those that make him look low tech?Yes, clearly.

Look back throughout the pages. You'll see what I mean.

So they're masters of war, they made Samus's suit, said "f*ck technology" some time later, and yet the Space Pirates (which Samus has killed numerous times) chased them away. Gosh, that makes a heck of a lot of sense, eh? 😐

What flamethrower? Where the hell did you get that from?
I wasn't aware that there was flamethrower used on Chief in the games.

And Samus can indeed use sonic boom.

Assuming that she actually gets the upgrade for her annilhilator beam in the first place. Which is rather unlikely.

Originally posted by DarkC
Where did I say or infer that Chief had more experience than Samus? And the Chief is nowhere near stupid enough to go within ten feet unless he knows he'll have a chance of success(the speed at which the missiles travel in the games, I could say that his reflexes would allow him to dodge them anyways).

Did I say that Samus would be stupid enough to make herself an easy shot? And Chief's suit being more advanced than space pirate computer networks, I don't even know where you pulled that from. No, all I said that the Chief wouldn't be naive enough to try and snipe without knowing that he would hit.

Saying the Chozo had no more need of technology is pretty much bullshit. You know why? Because there is always room for improvement, at least in the technological factor. Tell me, if that's the case, that the Chozo had no more use of new technology, why didn't the Chozo make Samus's battlesuit perfect? Godlike? (And what killed the Chozo in the first place?) Surely if they had no more need of any more new technology, Samus would have been indestructible. But no, she's far from it. They could have at least give her power shields, but apparently not.

I take it that you've never heard of Sergeant Johnson, who happens to come from the world of Halo.

If you think that all soldiers are robots, then please join the army.

As for the amount of damage that bullets do, see my above quote.

It can disrupt Chief's armour, but it wouldn't hamper his weapons or his ability to move. The most that will happen is that he wouldn't be able to use any electronic functions of the suit, such as ammo indicators, shields(unless he also rebooted the system, which happens to take even less time than Samus's reboot)

You're also assuming, again, that Chief would actually bother to use SMGs at a distance. Yes, even if he had no other weapon, he would think to use the one he had to greatest effect. He'd try to get closer. (Spartans can run up to 55kph, just to let you know)

He would still be as strong as before; the strength of the suit comes from a reactive crystal layer rather than suit servo mechanisms.

I take it that you are a narrow-minded idiot if you believe that it is not possible for a soldier to take his job very seriously. I never said that it is impossible for a soldier to crack jokes, hell they do it through out Halo, but are you denying that it is not possible for a soldier to be entirely serious? If you think that all soldiers are comedians, then please join the army.

And it's not that the Chozo had no more need of technology, it's that they chose to forgo it in order to live among nature. Throughout Metroid Prime they leave clues as to why they left their technology behind. Samus is basically their last piece of technology still in use. The reason that they were "supposedly" wiped out by the space pirates is because they chose peace over violence, they basically went all Gandhi. But I do agree with you that there is always room for improvement, even by a little bit. It's just that the Chozo came closer than any other to achieving perfection.

Wait, so you mean that the Chief will be able to dodge Samus's missiles the same way that he dodged that scorpion missile in the Fall of Reach when him and Cortana were being tested? He barely survived that and even stated that they would not be fast enough to doge it, I can only imagine what 250 missiles would do to him.

And you also contradicted yourself. You said that the Chief wouldn't be stupid enough to get close enough to Samus for her to attack him and then you said that he would try to get closer if he did have to use an smg. So which is it? Either stays back or he gets close and gets pulverized by Samus.

at close range.. Chief is faster, and has far better reflexes and way stronger... He would n00b SA like theres no tommorrow... at a far distance SA won't hit him at all as she can't free aim and her targetting system is too basic to counter chiefs movement... he would riddle her...

Her missiles targetting system is very basic again... he could hide or run diagonaly forward to evade.. the turning on them isn't quick enough... much like the rockets on halo...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
at close range.. Chief is faster, and has far better reflexes and way stronger... He would n00b SA like theres no tommorrow... at a far distance SA won't hit him at all as she can't free aim and her targetting system is too basic to counter chiefs movement... he would riddle her...

Her missiles targetting system is very basic again... he could hide or run diagonaly forward to evade.. the turning on them isn't quick enough... much like the rockets on halo...

That's an opinion, I highly doubt that Chief is faster than Samus, judging by her strafing techniques. Even if the Chief has great reflexes, there is no way that he is fast enough to dodge any of Samus's weapons. He is stronger than her though. And he would not riddle her, Samus would also get hit but you are implying that she is just standing there she would easily be able to catch up with the Chief.

And her missiles' targeting system is not basic, stop trying to lower the ability of her weapons so that they will match Halo's. If he couldn't dodge a scorpion missile , then there is no way that he could dodge one of Samus's missiles. Samus's missiles are homing, if I remember correctly, they would still be able to track him.

No what I mean is if you target a vechical in HALO2 and it drives in a diagonal towards you, the rocket will miss... Same as in Metroid.. They don't have a turning circle of 0... they will miss a moving target.. Dark C just gave you MC speed.. Care to prove SA is faster?? or just wana spew BS???

SA can be moving all she wants... She will still miss at a distance as here targeting system will in affect be shooting at MC shaddow.. her system doesn't take movement into concideration so she will be firing at MC last spot..

Seeing as MC could dodge a pistol easily enough I think he could dodge SA slow rate of fire at close range...

Originally posted by DarkC
Chief won't be affected by the so called electricity.

He has a gel layer in his suit. And gel is an extremely good insulator, if I rightly recall.

And did I say that the Chief would be able to hit Samus with all his shots? And if so, where? You're assuming again.
And how do you know that they're bullets?
Considering that Samus's puny little emergency pistol(which is used in Metroid: Zero Mission and is human manufactured) is rather a beam weapon than a bullet weapon, it doesn't make sense.

Excuse me, we're talking sniper distance here.

That's 1.5km, minimum.
I've seen Morph Ball boost while playing MP2 Multiplayer, and she'll need several pads first of all, which stands out like a sore thumb. And they'll have to be aimed precisely at where Chief is standing beforehand, which will take a major quirk of fate, not to mention a lot of luck.

I've also seen speed dash when I played M: Fusion. At the rate that that ability is, my estimate how that ability is 30 kph at most. And she slows to a still if she crashes into something and slows if she makes a turn. This means that she'll have to run in a straight line, and probably across open ground too. This will make her only a slightly less difficult target to shoot, if Chief can figure out a pattern.

I've seen screw attack being used to travel in MP2, and that's the only thing that travels fast enough. Nothing can hit her as well, so that's probably her best bet. But Chief's not stupid either, he'll probably stand in her trajectory and dodge before she lands, throw down a plasma grenade to distract, and take off like a shot.

Can Samus dodge bullets? If not, she's able to duck, weave to stay a moving target. Moving targets are difficult to hit, but not impossible.
And Samus can't track with her cannon while spacejumping and dodge at the same time. It only lets her strafe side to side(Controls from MP2 Multiplayer) and even then it feels snail-slow. And of course, she can't use her cannon in morph ball mode(She's still a rather large target anyways, and moving at a speed that Chief can track). So I dunno where you got all the nonsense of Chief having to dodge beams and missiles while Samus was also dodging from. And Chief can easily run out of the way of Morph Ball bombs.

Someone's been saying that the Chozo are a long dead race, who were once masters of war.

Look back throughout the pages. You'll see what I mean.

So they're masters of war, they made Samus's suit, said "f*ck technology" some time later, and yet the Space Pirates (which Samus has killed numerous times) chased them away. Gosh, that makes a heck of a lot of sense, eh? 😐

What flamethrower? Where the hell did you get that from?
I wasn't aware that there was flamethrower used on Chief in the games.

And Samus can indeed use sonic boom.

Assuming that she actually gets the upgrade for her annilhilator beam in the first place. Which is rather unlikely.

And you are assuming that chief is going to be 1.5 km away. Yeah right. He won't get 100 ft away. The simple little gel layer won't protect him forever if it even can handle the stream of electrical energy. Chief also had a flametrhower used on him in the comp Halo and it was very effective against his shields. That being said a plasma blast would incinerate him. His armor is no tougher than an SP's. You also make it out to be that chief can dodge anything. He may be adept and have better reflexes but he still gets hit. If he was as good as you say than he would never get shot and wouldn't even need a shield. Five missles plus 11-12 annihilator beam shots coming at him all at the same time will be impossible to completely dodge. If chief wanted to get close as hit and miss says then he would be completely destroyed. A few potshots here and there from his gun isn't going to help as he gets attacked from multiple angles by a variety of attacks. The bullets chief uses are going to be ineffective as well. The GF troopers use machine guns that fire in bursts and it did very little to Samus' shields.

That's never happened to me before, even with the flying space pirates. It's only the super missile that I've ever seen miss, unless you're not locked on, never the ordinary ones.

And having Master Chief's speed doesn't mean we know Samus's speed. We do know that Master Chief was unable to outrun a scorpion missile in Fall of Reach, he even admits it, and barely survived that because of Cortana. Without her he would have been dead.

And even in the books I've never witnessed Master Chief go as fast as you say he goes, he still gets hit, he still comes close to death, anybody that is that fast should be able to run up behind their opponent and snap their neck without them even knowing. So what if he can dodge a pistol? Samus's power beam is much faster than an ordinary pistol, more powerful, and doesn't even have to reload. The Chief wouldn't be able to survive a barrage like that. The only areas that we know their abilities 100%, Samus wins. Just one lock on, which wouldn't be hard and Master Chief would be dust with the wave beam, I could be wrong but I think the wave buster locks on automatically even if you aren't locked on.

LOL scorpion missile is a hella lot bigger then SA micro missiles.. Its about the same as her supermissile but without all the special "KABOOM" colours..

her missiles miss most targets that move as I said.. They don't have a 0 degree turning circal.. Just like on halo you can get a rocket to orbit round a vechial....

SA rate of fire is about as fast as an automatic pistol.. Its not a machine gun.. He can dodge bullets... SA plasma is slower then the speed of sound bullets...

MC will remain ranked as Faster untill you give us some number on how quick she is.. I've never seen her go above a normal runners speed in the games... Even when sprinting for her life she wasn't 55...

I didn't read much of this thread so if someone mentioned this before than whatever.

Anyway this is taken directly from Halo The Fall Of Reach

"The Chief and his team sprinted up the half-kilometer sandstone slope in 32 seconds flat."

So I think MC would be slightly faster than Samus

thats about 34 mph... up a hill.. Sounds about right...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
LOL scorpion missile is a hella lot bigger then SA micro missiles.. Its about the same as her supermissile but without all the special "KABOOM" colours..

her missiles miss most targets that move as I said.. They don't have a 0 degree turning circal.. Just like on halo you can get a rocket to orbit round a vechial....

SA rate of fire is about as fast as an automatic pistol.. Its not a machine gun.. He can dodge bullets... SA plasma is slower then the speed of sound bullets...

MC will remain ranked as Faster untill you give us some number on how quick she is.. I've never seen her go above a normal runners speed in the games... Even when sprinting for her life she wasn't 55...

I could say the same thing because the Chief is slow as balls in the game. He isn't faster nor can he jump higher than Samus. It's true that if the Chief were so fast, then he should be able to outrun the missile. He should also be able to kill people while they aren't looking, but he can't. And Samus's missiles are faster than her power beam, so if they will hit the Chief, then so will missiles. And they do have turning abilities, fight a flying pirate and watch the missile turn to follow him.

Have you seen the Chief go faster than normal runners in the game? No, you haven't. I could also say that until I see the Chief perform amazing feats in game, I will consider him to be a normal human being. At least we see Samus do flips, which gives a great measure of her leg muscles.

She also has speed booster, which gives her the ability to run so fast that she goes through walls and killes enemies on contact, what does that tell you? And yes, the Chief can dodge bullets, so tell me how exactly does he get his ass kicked through out the books?

Obviously they couldn't make the Chief run 34mph in the game because it would be over in about 10 minutes, but in the books he does. So.... I win.

Originally posted by thegmeister53
I could say the same thing because the Chief is slow as balls in the game. He isn't faster nor can he jump higher than Samus. It's true that if the Chief were so fast, then he should be able to outrun the missile. He should also be able to kill people while they aren't looking, but he can't. And Samus's missiles are faster than her power beam, so if they will hit the Chief, then so will missiles. And they do have turning abilities, fight a flying pirate and watch the missile turn to follow him.

Have you seen the Chief go faster than normal runners in the game? No, you haven't. I could also say that until I see the Chief perform amazing feats in game, I will consider him to be a normal human being. At least we see Samus do flips, which gives a great measure of her leg muscles.

She also has speed booster, which gives her the ability to run so fast that she goes through walls and killes enemies on contact, what does that tell you? And yes, the Chief can dodge bullets, so tell me how exactly does he get his ass kicked through out the books?

we have been over this... Game turns him down....
At about 40mph he can't out run a missile.. But he could dodge it..

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A 0deg TURNING CIRCLE IS???
yes they can turn.. But they would fly past him... I've drawn a little pic for you.... as mc runs the missile will try to follow but it can't turn quick enough... this happens on halo aswell... the rocket guidence can't cope with targets that move in a diagonal line.. as they can't turn quick enough....

All of SA abilites come from the suit.. Without the suit she has nothing... MC wasn't required to jump from ledge to ledge in halo.. Its not an adventure game like MP.. he can jump 3 meters high in the books.. As his suit does boost his strength his legs would jump high...

He gets his ass kicked by machine guns.. he can dodge guns with a slow rate of fire.. But the covenant don't fire slowly.. He notes himself that he could dodge a few of the rounds from a 50 cal turrent.. His reflexes are so high he would be able to move fast enough to do so...

Stop trying to nock the books.. You were unsuccessful in the elite thread.. Its tireing repeating myself...

heres the pic..

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
we have been over this... Game turns him down....
At about 40mph he can't out run a missile.. But he could dodge it..

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A 0deg TURNING CIRCLE IS???
yes they can turn.. But they would fly past him... I've drawn a little pic for you.... as mc runs the missile will try to follow but it can't turn quick enough... this happens on halo aswell... the rocket guidence can't cope with targets that move in a diagonal line.. as they can't turn quick enough....

All of SA abilites come from the suit.. Without the suit she has nothing... MC wasn't required to jump from ledge to ledge in halo.. Its not an adventure game like MP.. he can jump 3 meters high in the books.. As his suit does boost his strength his legs would jump high...

He gets his ass kicked by machine guns.. he can dodge guns with a slow rate of fire.. But the covenant don't fire slowly.. He notes himself that he could dodge a few of the rounds from a 50 cal turrent.. His reflexes are so high he would be able to move fast enough to do so...

Stop trying to nock the books.. You were unsuccessful in the elite thread.. Its tireing repeating myself...

Yes, he could dodge the missile. Have you ever heard of a little thing called splash damage? Metroid missiles aren't like Halo rockets. Stop trying to compare them both as if they are interchangeable. Metroid missiles are faster and have much better turning signals, I have not once encountered a situation where a missile missed, unless it wasn't locked on. We don't always know what the situation is, the Master Chief could happen to turn tail and run like a coward and get a missile right in the back.

How can you say that without the suit Samus has nothing? It has been proven in Metroid Zero Mission that even without her suit Samus has the the same athletic abilities as with it, and what does it matter if she has no abilities outside of the suit? They both get to use their suits. Their abilities without them are irrelevant.

I could also say that because we see Samus do flips that means her upper body muscles are even better than the Chief's. You seem to keep avoiding what I keep asking. If the Chief is so freakin' fast than how come he doesn't just run up to every enemy he finds and just snaps their neck? It would save a hell of a lot of ammo. Because the books would be boring? You also are avoiding the issue with the speed booster. What does it tell you if Samus is fast enough to destroy walls and enemies on contact when the Chief can not? One conclusion, she is faster than him.

Wait, so you're telling me that Samus fires slowly? 😆 I find that extremely hard to believe. Samus could most likely manhandle the Covenant. She works alone to fight the Space Pirates, she doesn't need an entire army to do what she does. So he is only fast enough to dodge 'a few' he cannot handle a constant barrage of fire forever. The fact remains that he still gets hit and comes close to death several times. If he were as good as the books said then his speed, strength, and reflexes should prevent him from EVER getting hit.

There is nothing wrong with nocking the books when you use arguments that have a source. I personally enjoyed the books, especially the fall of reach. I especially enjoyed watching the Spartans' training develop and how they slowly improved. Why do you automatically assume that you won? Do we have an unbiased judge here watching what we post? No, we don't so neither of us can actually be proven right or wrong, unless someone wishes to concede, something that I will not do. You are not the judge. And therefore you do not decide that you are right. You say that you are tired of repeating yourself? I also get bored having to constantly ask the same questions that you refuse to ignore.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
we have been over this... Game turns him down....
At about 40mph he can't out run a missile.. But he could dodge it..

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A 0deg TURNING CIRCLE IS???
yes they can turn.. But they would fly past him... I've drawn a little pic for you.... as mc runs the missile will try to follow but it can't turn quick enough... this happens on halo aswell... the rocket guidence can't cope with targets that move in a diagonal line.. as they can't turn quick enough....

All of SA abilites come from the suit.. Without the suit she has nothing... MC wasn't required to jump from ledge to ledge in halo.. Its not an adventure game like MP.. he can jump 3 meters high in the books.. As his suit does boost his strength his legs would jump high...

He gets his ass kicked by machine guns.. he can dodge guns with a slow rate of fire.. But the covenant don't fire slowly.. He notes himself that he could dodge a few of the rounds from a 50 cal turrent.. His reflexes are so high he would be able to move fast enough to do so...

Stop trying to nock the books.. You were unsuccessful in the elite thread.. Its tireing repeating myself...

Alright so chief can dodge one missle. Now add four more all coming at different directions and I'd say that the outcome would be a little different. Annihilator beam shots would be able to kill chief as well. They are capable of making pinpoint 90 degree turns to hit their target and don't even need to be locked on. Now considering that they fire quite rapidly chief could have 10 or 20 on his tail at the same time that five missles are following him also during which Samus could be charging up the wave buster to paralyze chief. Samus' shots are about as fast as the plasma rifle bullets so chief wouldn't be able to dodge that for very long. The super missles also have a decent explosion radius. Even Samus' shotgun light beam attack homes in on it's target. No way chief could dodge a homing shotgun blast aimed at him.

[QUOTE=5811384]Originally posted by thegmeister53

What does it tell you if Samus is fast enough to destroy walls and enemies on contact when the Chief can not? One conclusion, she is faster than him.
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Who said the Chief couldn't destroy walls on contact? Just because he doesn't have a move in the game where he could run through a wall doesn't mean that he couldn't.