Hah, I just read the previous pages again, man they got owned from the start, at the first page the MC side couldnt even bring a usefull arguement just "bla bla training bla bla 100 sit ups" or saying just cuz SA is a woman she loses or insult eachother.
Dude we're suposed to look at what they are using to fight, their weapons and armours and compare them, that's what I've done that and I can safely say that SA's got the best ones.
Being able to fire 5 homing missiles at a time, using a turbo controll shooting with the power beam makes her cannon shoot at a very very fast rate so that would mean that she's able to shoot at that rate here too, if she can do it in the games she can do it here too.
She can use power bombs if MC gets close, which can kill about any enemy in mp and mp2, explain why MC would be an exeption.
Why wouldnt MC get freezed by the Ice beam? And if would get freezed he would probably not be able to get out of it considering that he couldnt "get out of" the the tentacle of that giant flood thingy and those didnt cover his whole body, the ice does.
She's got plasme beam(mp) the most powerfull beam in the Metroid series, just one short charged shot vaporizes even enemies swimming in lava so I would say the plasma beam is quite hot, hotter than lava and that shows that plasma in Metroid is (way) stronger and not the same plasma as in the one in Halo.
She's got Wave beam being able to first paralize and then kill the enemy, is MC her enemy? Yes he is.
And shouldnt she have Sonic boom? Just cuz it's would kill him in one shot? It's a part of her just as Cortana is a part of MC (not standard equipment though) so why neglect that?
Im hungry now, gonna eat some breakfast so end of post/reply.
[QUOTE=5812120][i]Originally posted by thegmeister53
He sure as hell can't in the books. So if he can't in the books and in the games, hmmm..... What could that possibly mean? That Samus is faster than Master Chief.
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That's the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Like I said before just because they didn't make him run through a wall in the books means absolutely nothing. For god's sake he runs frikin 40mph, and you think Samus can go faster than that?
Originally posted by thegmeister53
I could say the same thing because the Chief is slow as balls in the game. He isn't faster nor can he jump higher than Samus. It's true that if the Chief were so fast, then he should be able to outrun the missile. He should also be able to kill people while they aren't looking, but he can't. And Samus's missiles are faster than her power beam, so if they will hit the Chief, then so will missiles. And they do have turning abilities, fight a flying pirate and watch the missile turn to follow him.
She also has speed booster, which gives her the ability to run so fast that she goes through walls and killes enemies on contact, what does that tell you? And yes, the Chief can dodge bullets, so tell me how exactly does he get his ass kicked through out the books?
I lost count of how many times I've melee'd someone in the back without them noticing and watched them go down in one hit.
Originally posted by thegmeister
Have you seen the Chief go faster than normal runners in the game? No, you haven't. I could also say that until I see the Chief perform amazing feats in game, I will consider him to be a normal human being. At least we see Samus do flips, which gives a great measure of her leg muscles.
He's flipped tanks.
He decompressed out of a chamber with a disarmed Covenant bomb, directed it towards a Covenant carrier, out of all Covenant ships, pushed off, blew it up, and landed perfectly above the control room of Amber Clad, (which is a human ship, BTW).
He's faced down a tank-killing missile travelling at 150kph and won.
He's strong enough that a single punch to an armoured and shielded Elite's back kills him.
Even without his armour, he's so strong and fast that he accidentally killed a hand-to-hand combat trainer.
He can dodge bullets, to a small extent.
He survived both Halos.
He walked into a chamber packed with badass Covenant plus the nasty Regret, and survived.
The list goes on and on.
So, how does he get his "ass kicked" in the books?
Well, the only two incidents I can think of are when he gets tackled by a Brute, shot for the first time by a hunter, and gets a nasty plasma cut on his bicep when he had his shields down and still took on a black Elite with an energy sword.
I don't think it counts as "getting his ass kicked" if he survived and killed his foe after.
Originally posted by IcePunk
She can use power bombs if MC gets close, which can kill about any enemy in mp and mp2, explain why MC would be an exeption.
Why wouldnt MC get freezed by the Ice beam? And if would get freezed he would probably not be able to get out of it considering that he couldnt "get out of" the the tentacle of that giant flood thingy and those didnt cover his whole body, the ice does.
She's got plasme beam(mp) the most powerfull beam in the Metroid series, just one short charged shot vaporizes even enemies swimming in lava so I would say the plasma beam is quite hot, hotter than lava and that shows that plasma in Metroid is (way) stronger and not the same plasma as in the one in Halo.
I've seen them being used in Metroid Fusion. And they have a whopping four-second fuse with only a 10 meter blast radius. Furthermore, when it's armed, it's out in plain sight and beeps. The Chief's smart enough to recognize the classic warning signs of a timed explosive going off.
Why wouldn't Ice Beam freeze him?
Because his shields are meant mostly for plasma, which basically means extreme temperatures. His armour's similar, metal and such.
Seeing that metal's already in its solid state and that his suit has excellent climate control and insulating, plus the temperature-dampening effects of his shield...I fail to see how Ice Beam could affect him too much. The most it would do is cover him with a layer of ice, but even then he's too strong to be trapped within.
Plasma beam can burn enemies that live in lava? Wrong, it was meant to be a penetrating weapon, as so said by Adam in M: Fusion. Which maybe would explain why it kills(not burns) enemies that thrive in Lava.
Anyways, if it was a heat-based weapon, as you said, it would be impossible as it defies physics. Heat plasma are consisted of superheated ions and are directed by a electromagnetic coil charge. The magnetic properties of lava would scatter a normally focused beam of superheated gas into a incoherent cloud.
Originally posted by IcePunk
And shouldnt she have Sonic boom? Just cuz it's would kill him in one shot? It's a part of her just as Cortana is a part of MC (not standard equipment though) so why neglect that?
Know why?
Because they are either found somewhere in the crazy-shit world of Aether, and offered by the Luminoth fellas. It's not normally a part of her suit, so to speak. It's an exclusive, that I really doubt will be included in any future Metroid games. Even if she was somehow included with the Annihilator beam, she would have to get an upgrade for it too, to be able to use the Sonic Boom.
And Cortana's not exclusive; she was actually specifically made for Chief originally(read the first book). So it'd be reasonable to assume that she would be able to be used, since she's been with Chief for pretty much all the time. Except for some times when she departs temporarily for something else, like during the first time ever that you fight the Flood.
Originally posted by thegmeister
He sure as hell can't in the books. So if he can't in the books and in the games, hmmm..... What could that possibly mean? That Samus is faster than Master Chief.
Eyeball it yourself. Does that look like it beats 55kph?
Anyways, considering that she glows funnily during the time that she uses it, I'll assume that the upgrade creates a charged energy field around her as she runs, which allows her to run through certain walls.
Walls that are made of these blocks:
It doesn't allow her to be able to run through any wall she wants.
Originally posted by Spartan005
[QUOTE=5812120][i]Originally posted by thegmeister53
He sure as hell can't in the books. So if he can't in the books and in the games, hmmm..... What could that possibly mean? That Samus is faster than Master Chief.
________________________________________That's the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Like I said before just because they didn't make him run through a wall in the books means absolutely nothing. For god's sake he runs frikin 40mph, and you think Samus can go faster than that?
And you are the dumbest person I've ever met. Let's say he can run 40 mph. Is he fast enough to destroy enemies and walls simply on contact? Unless he can or has, then he is not faster than Samus. So put simply Samus is faster than MC.
DarkC, nobody ever said that she automatically runs faster than 55kph, she has to start running and eventually builds up that speed, the same way that Chief does, I believe. And stop trying to list all of MC's feats in the books. I've read them all so I've just as much knowledge as you. Is it so hard to believet that somebody can read the books and still believe Samus is better? Not when they are using common sense.
Originally posted by thegmeister53
And you are the dumbest person I've ever met. Let's say he can run 40 mph. Is he fast enough to destroy enemies and walls simply on contact? Unless he can or has, then he is not faster than Samus. So put simply Samus is faster than MC.DarkC, nobody ever said that she automatically runs faster than 55kph, she has to start running and eventually builds up that speed, the same way that Chief does, I believe. And stop trying to list all of MC's feats in the books. I've read them all so I've just as much knowledge as you. Is it so hard to believet that somebody can read the books and still believe Samus is better? Not when they are using common sense.
SA speed isn't constant is it... MC can run at that speed all day long... as he has on de halllos/////
Reading the books is great... It just means your reading comprehension is crap...
Originally posted by DarkC
Of course he's slow as balls in the game. Do you think the aim would have been silk smooth if he were running at the speed that I mentioned earlier?
And judging by the speed that the missiles travel in the Metroid games, he could outrun them, yes.
[b]"He should be able to kill people when they aren't looking, but he can't."
The stupidity of that statement is simply enormous.Congrats, g...you're the first person to flaunt your idiocy around like it counts for something. From your posts, it's reasonble to say that you've never even beat the campaign of neither game.
What amazing feats he's done that no other normal human is capable of? Well, let's see.He's flipped tanks.
He decompressed out of a chamber with a disarmed Covenant bomb, directed it towards a Covenant carrier, out of all Covenant ships, pushed off, blew it up, and landed perfectly above the control room of Amber Clad, (which is a human ship, BTW).
He's faced down a tank-killing missile travelling at 150kph and won.
He's strong enough that a single punch to an armoured and shielded Elite's back kills him.
Even without his armour, he's so strong and fast that he accidentally killed a hand-to-hand combat trainer.
He can dodge bullets, to a small extent.
He survived both Halos.
He walked into a chamber packed with badass Covenant plus the nasty Regret, and survived.The list goes on and on.
So, how does he get his "ass kicked" in the books?
Well, the only two incidents I can think of are when he gets tackled by a Brute, shot for the first time by a hunter, and gets a nasty plasma cut on his bicep when he had his shields down and still took on a black Elite with an energy sword.
I don't think it counts as "getting his ass kicked" if he survived and killed his foe after.
Not that the speed that she travels when using the speed boost in M: Fusion.
Eyeball it yourself. Does that look like it beats 55kph?
Anyways, considering that she glows funnily during the time that she uses it, I'll assume that the upgrade creates a charged energy field around her as she runs, which allows her to run through certain walls.
Walls that are made of these blocks:It doesn't allow her to be able to run through any wall she wants. [/B]
Let me put it this way: he is slow as balls in game. Just because he has to be turned down so that everything isn't in bullet time doesn't mean that he has to be so freakin' slow or have such a low jump, but he does.
So you're telling me that my statement is stupid? It's right on the damn mark. Congratulations, you have encountered several INSTANCES where you can be stealthy. If the Chief is so fast and strong he should never have to resort to a gun. That could save much needed ammo for the war. But much of the time he must resort to using guns to win. If I had his speed, strength, and suit, then I wouldn't really have to worry, I would simply run up behind someone nail them in the back of their head an continue on, not engage in a needless firefight.
I think it would be more accurate to say that you are the one flaunting your idiocy. Don't try to use the tank arguments. They are so retarded. I don't consider that to be an amazing feat. If I had seen him in a cutscene or something manage to lift an entire tank above his head, then I would be impressed. Even if I had seen him do something like that in the books I would have still been impressed. And if he is able to flip over a scorpion tank, then why did it take so much effort to move the bomb into the elevator in Halo 2? He should have been able to do it with one hand. I have a different sense of what I consider an amazing feat. The only thing that the situation with the bomb tells me is one thing, he is lucky. In Fall of Reach Dr. Halsey even says that he is not the strongest or the fastest. He is the luckiest. I don't consider being lucky enough to warrant that an amazing feat.
Again you assume we have the same sense of an amazing feat with the scorpion missile situation. He barely survived that. He states quite clearly that he can't outrun it. He was again lucky to survive that. If it hadn't been for Cortana the Chief would have been dead. When you say he won you make it sound like it was all skill, when it really wasn't. And who gives a shit that he is strong enough to kill an elite in one hit from behind. If he is so damn strong he should be able to do it from the front too. Why not? Because the elite is battle ready and will be expecting? That is still not that amazing. Dodging bullets to a small extent hmm..... I wonder what that little thing that we see Samus do is called where she avoids enemy fire... I got it! It's called dodging!
You still over estimate MC's worth with how he was able to destroy two Halo's. That I will admit is actually an amazing feat, but you're forgetting that Samus has done so much more. She single handedly eliminated the metroids. She also crashed the space station into SR388. She eliminated Kraid, Ridley, and Mother Brain multiple times. What would MC do in that situation? Run fast, get close, hit Mother Brain, and do the same thing over? Samus also is single handedly eliminating the Space Pirates, while MC does handle certain things by himself, is he able to handle the Covenant all by himself? Only to a certain degree. And what is your excuse for how she kills enemies upon contact?
As for the thing about getting his ass kicked. I will admit that I was exaggerating, however it is in a way true. He does get put into several situations where his shields go down and he must take cover. To me that is enough to show it because somebody who goes as fast as you say he does, should never end up getting hit and with the way you describe his reflexes that is doubly true.
And Spartan he has never actually picked up a tank, if I remember correctly, he simply turns them over. And hit, maybe insead of my reading comprehension being crap, maybe I just don't by into everything that is written about Halo. There are way to many inconsistincies and questions that make me wonder about MC's abilities. Spartan, you're assuming that MC can eliminate an elite on contact. Have we ever seen him do it ouside of a vehicle in the book or game? That's like me saying Samus can fly, I just have never seen her do it before.
For god's sake he runs frikin 40mph, and you think Samus can go faster than that?
lol.. 40 Mph is not enough to breach a natural stone formation..
when samus begins to run, then performs her shoulder tackle.. her feet are no longer on the ground, which obviously means she's going VERY fast to stay off the ground (which occurs until she reaches an obstruction)
neither chief or samus reaches high speed in the snap of a finger.. but they are both fast.. so lets bury that argument already..
Originally posted by DarkC
Eyeball it yourself. Does that look like it beats 55kph?Anyways, considering that she glows funnily during the time that she uses it, I'll assume that the upgrade creates a charged energy field around her as she runs, which allows her to run through certain walls.
Walls that are made of these blocks:It doesn't allow her to be able to run through any wall she wants.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
[B]For god's sake he runs frikin 40mph, and you think Samus can go faster than that?lol.. 40 Mph is not enough to breach a natural stone formation..
when samus begins to run, then performs her shoulder tackle.. her feet are no longer on the ground, which obviously means she's going VERY fast to stay off the ground (which occurs until she reaches an obstruction)
neither chief or samus reaches high speed in the snap of a finger.. but they are both fast.. so lets bury that argument already.. [/B]
Satsujin! Where've you been? You stopped posting in this thread awhile ago.