If that is so, then simply ...X-Man powers use some form of magnetism and that is all. it doesn't make him any less powerfull though. magneto controls magnetism itself while x-man controls psionic power which as u say uses magnetism.
X-man still demonstrates more power in his field than magneto does in magneto's field. not to mention that telepathy/telekinesis>magnetism since there is a much broader spectrum in his powers for x-man to take advantage of. in comparison magneto's powers are very very limited...his object control, his flight are all meager compared to x-mans molecular control and true flight of self and anything/anyone else he wishes. not to mention multitaskingly purging brains clean or mind searching for a single brain pattern or visiting the astral plane.
Its like tha difference between flying a plane vs driving a ferrari [under your theory of them both using magnetism]. both use gas as the same means of fuel but one travels thru air ignoring all sorts of liquid collections while tha car runs in to lakes, rivers, oceans, and gets flat tires. tha car is one dimensional compared to the plane.
A more accurate example of the relationship between psychokenesis and magnetism according to the theory in question is the transmission of sound waves through water. While water is the medium through which sound energy is transmitted, its temperature, salinity, and pressure affect the velocity of the transmission. In the case of Magneto, his ability to control the medium through which X-Man transmits his powers may have a similar affect.
Magneto is undoubtedly one of the most formidable warriors known to mutant kind but he just can't compare with the super telepath & telekinetic that X-Man was. Even in Age of Apocalypse Grey was considered the end all be all when it came to pure unadulterated power and potential. How can Magneto deal with that? When X-Man arrived in the 616 Universe he sent a ripple through the minds and physical bodies of EVERY living psionic on the planet and though they didn't show Magneto ... I'm sure he felt it at the time. He bested Xavier without even a concious effort and this is the man who EASILY wiped Magneto's mind clear during Fatal Attractions. X-Man is just too much of a beast for Magneto. The best Magnus could hope for is that he physically dominates Nathan before he even knows that Magneto is around him. Otherwise it's Magnus' ass.
I think physically Nate Grey is far superior than mags. he is a hell of a lot younger and knows how to fight. and he would know that magneto is around him thanks to his telepathy. even if mags has some helmet or some baseball cap or even a brown bag over his head...nates telepathy is too strong to not sence thru it.
But if you, yes i'm talking to YOU, tell me that they're making a new X-Men movie where characters and stories aren't "mainstream". and you asked me wut match-up i'd like to see, this would be number 2. after X-Man [reborn] VS Cable [current].
Man. There's no chance in hell that in a physical altercation that X-Man could take on Magneto. He just doesn't have the experience in hand to hand combat or the strength that Magneto has developed over the years. X-Man is a young man, granted but Magnus is a warrior in his prime and there's no way X-Man without his powers could take Magneto without his. Perhaps if it was Telekinesis vs Magnetic force, maybe. Of course Magneto is not Shang Chi but still, he's got his bases covered when it comes to physical superiority. He's at the top of his game and is hardly the frail man that Ian McKellen displayed him to be. Anyway, Magneto can't match Grey in raw power whatsoever.
Heh. Anything is possible but I doubt they'd ever make a movie concerning X-Man or Cable anytime soon. Neither character is notably popular as say Wolverine or even Captain America. They just don't score the numbers. But I'm a bit skeptical as to whether they should bring X-Man back to Mainstream 616. He's got no real purpose there, you know? We already have two reality and time placed Summers children ( Nathan & Rachel ) and a third would be redundant. You should petition to have him put in Exiles or something. At least there he'd have some possible rhyme and reason.
Cable can have a brother, that wont hurt anything or anyone. just one brother in 616 time-line. i dont think thats much, thats below much and reasonable.
They forced a purpose for cable with his Jesus-like goals. with that same kind of stretch, x-man could be molded a great life.
He represents many things Cable does not. it is arguable whether he's stronger than cable potentially...but even if they are actually equal, x-man has many like-able qualities of youth, free spirit, hot headed, loner, etc along with his vast power that leaves Marvel with a hole without him. not to mention he was one of tha coolest looking [maybe to me since i'm also a teen].
Since Marvel likes to keep characters in a limited range of age, X-man's introduction of a teen/early 20's would forever exist. All of this, is irreplaceable.
But my opinion must be shared for it to count. who would sign my petition?
Well i was on Marvel.com and saw "cup o' joe" where you can email Marvel's editor-in-chief Joe Quasada. I decided to let him know how i felt about Marvel bringing X-Man back. i wrote in tha email that a team up with his brother Cable would be nice and that millions of fans would be happy to see it.
Aside from myself being a fan, i also see on this very forum numerous mentions of X-Man or Nate Grey. i know that his resurrection would be a welcomed one for tha most part. and for those who dont care, i'm sure if it was done well..it would sure as hell be interesting since he IS one of the most powerfull mutants to ever live.
If anyone has any other ideas, please post.
um nathanial grey, u say that nate cant keep his own against mas in hand to hand because of mags beeing physically stronger and beeing able to boost his strength to class 100 with his powers, but lets not forget that against holocast , nate put a psionic armour around himself and defeated holocast in hand to hand combat, and holocast is said to have no upper strength level{kinda like the hulk}, this tells me that nate could very well keep his own against magnus in hand to hand, also nate isnt exactly a hopeless fighter either he also has knowledge of basic martial arts{like magneto}, so neway, no matter what mags does, nate kicks his ass
Originally posted by leonheartmm
um nathanial grey, u say that nate cant keep his own against mas in hand to hand because of mags beeing physically stronger and beeing able to boost his strength to class 100 with his powers, but lets not forget that against holocast , nate put a psionic armour around himself and defeated holocast in hand to hand combat, and holocast is said to have no upper strength level{kinda like the hulk}, this tells me that nate could very well keep his own against magnus in hand to hand, also nate isnt exactly a hopeless fighter either he also has knowledge of basic martial arts{like magneto}, so neway, no matter what mags does, nate kicks his ass
Perhaps my comment wasn't as clear as it should have been. Yes, I believe that Magneto would beat the snot out of Nate in a hand to hand fight without powers. It's quite obvious that Nate has unrivaled telepathy and telekinesis but without them he's somewhat defenseless. Grey since his conception has relied on the durability and wherewithal of his unfettered power to get him out of scrapes. He's never had to build up his physical prowess which is why Magnus would whoop him. Magneto is a seasoned vet who's learned that depending solely on your powers will get you killed. He's had to make due without them before and therein lies his advantage. Not to mention the fact that Magnus is a man in his prime who I believe is way stronger and more skilled than a youth like Nate. Basic martial arts? I've got the entire X-Man series from -1, 1-75 and I've never seen him whip out any Karate, Gung Fu or Tae Kwon Do. Nate Grey has always depended on street fighting to get what he needs to get done. But yeah, I agree on one point. No matter what in terms of sheer unfettered power -- Nate Grey would dominate this battle.
But Magneto isn't in his prime Nathaniel..hes like in his late 50's. i know hes not as weak as Ian McKellen protrayed him to be but he is much much older than nate grey. and an 18-21 year old male is obviously superior than someone in their late 50's.
And wut kind of fighting does magneto know? I'd find it very strange to see mags defeat nate grey hand-to-hand. magneto was never portrayed as an awesome fighter like say cable was. even if nate grey uses street fighting...due to his age i doubt mags has a chance.
this was around four months ago at marvel. com., havent visited since then and marvel does seem to be changing its webpage a lot, u could give it a try at marvel.com but i dont have ne link {neway, id be surprised if they havent added more stuff there, i LOVED the old marvel bios page from like two years ago, they had bios of over 400 characters or something,}