Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
see there goes your rounding about threw sarcastic remarks that have no relivence to anything because you have no answer.

WTF? I know very well what im talking about, im offering you a lolly because YOU dont have a clue, to suck on something instead of spewing all kinds of crap at us here!

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
I just said kosov because Yugosolvia would make people scratch there heads. 😛 Bosnia & Serbia are all in Yugosolvia and part of Kosovo.

I could also say Heris Govania 😛

I mentioned the Irish conflict, mainly waged by IRA.

Bask , just forgot about that one because i was like 4 when it
happened. 😛 And i'm pretty sure Lil wasn't in Spain.

You didnt mention any of the things Finti has - you were vaguely guessing fron what you've seen on the news - just like everything else you've said so far.

Second of all - you dont have a clue, I shall repeat that because you dont seem to know. Kosovo is part of Serbia. Bosnia is NOT part of Yugoslavia and it hasnt been for the past 10 or so years. Yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore its ''former''. If theres anything left fromYugoslavia than that is Montenegro and Serbia.

And you cant assume Im not from Spain - because you dont know, but im guessing everything said so far for you has ben an assumption.

Originally posted by PVS
lets make a deal zero, ill repost what i said, and you actually read it before you try to squash me, ok? 😐

PVS, we agree on most things, but im going to disagree on this with you. What you are doing is making an excuse for those soldiers who have wounded an unarmed man - theres no excuse for an arm officer to do what he has done to an unarmed civilan - none.
America is the attacker in this war - assault not defence, which makes it even worse.

Telling us to STFU is little far fetched - and its called freedom of speach. American troops have invaded another country and you are wanting to excuse their terrible acts - how can that possibly be excused at any level?

Originally posted by Darth Sauron
that Iraqi hadnt done it.

But by your logic if sombody in the country did it, they all pay?

Ok, and eye for an eye, lets all go to war with America for practically no reason 😊

I don't see where you're getting all of this out of the 2 sentence comment I made, and your use of the word "it" is a little vague.

If you mean that the particular Iraqi that got shot was not the one who actually did the beheading, then you could have made that more clear. And obviously the odds of him being the actual perpatrator of the beheading act are low, but he fights American soldiers from the confines of a Mosque, so I would catagorize him in a similar group with the rest of his fellow insurgents.

I used NO logic in the comment I made previously, and I even went as far as to say "I know it shouldn't be seen eye for an eye." I was making a point that if you're going to go ahead and execute innocent civilians aid workers, then having one of your own armed milita who was previously shooting at American soldiers shot and killed while already wounded on the floor pales in comparison. He was unarmed at the time, but he wasn't unarmed before he got injured. An aid worker is NEVER armed.

I give you an inch with this "eye for an eye" comment and look at you trying to take a mile.

"Lets all go to war with America for practically no reason."

what point are you trying to prove here? I'm talking about war time tactics/decisions and you're talking about reasons for going to war. And what part about your comment I quoted above has anything to do with eye for an eye?

Did America go to war with the world or Iraq? For example, I fail to see how countries like France, Germany, England, or Japan going to war with America can be seen as "eye for an eye." If you went to the trouble to make up "my logic" for me...then please explain your own logic first.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
PVS, we agree on most things, but im going to disagree on this with you. What you are doing is making an excuse for those soldiers who have wounded an unarmed man - theres no excuse for an arm officer to do what he has done to an unarmed civilan - none.
America is the attacker in this war - assault not defence, which makes it even worse.

Telling us to STFU is little far fetched - and its called freedom of speach. American troops have invaded another country and you are wanting to excuse their terrible acts - how can that possibly be excused at any level?

lil B, i can understand you being upset by certain incidents of this war. and certain soldiers are just evil bastards...but may i remind you that the title of this thread, and the arguement i declare "STFU" against is this:

"Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?"

now, that is a general statement based on any man or woman who would enlist and put their life on the line for their country. im sorry, but i find that to be entirely ignorant.

" theres no excuse for an arm officer to do what he has done to an unarmed civilan - none"

you dont know that lil b. ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? if you spent a year watching your friends blown to pieces by wounded and dead rigged with explosives, and enemy soldiers diguised as wounded civilians, you may not be so willing to trust your life with every stranger you see lying on the ground.

but like i said lil b., neither of us can pass judgement as we have no idea. we are both sitting at our computers, 99.9% certain that we will make it through the rest of the day without being shot, or blown up. how can either of us even attempt to know what was going through that soldier's mind? maybe he was a gung ho assh0le who should be thrown in jail, maybe he just paniked and made a grave error. it happens in war lil b. many times a soldier has to live out the rest of his life knowing he accidentally shot and killed a friend on his side by accident...thats war.

"Telling us to STFU is little far fetched - and its called freedom of speach. American troops have invaded another country and you are wanting to excuse their terrible acts - how can that possibly be excused at any level? "

thats just it, i didnt tell everyone to STFU. like i said, there is a very thick line between condoning/condemning (through trial, not our uninformed opinions) the actions of one troop and bashing on all soldiers.

Originally posted by PVS
arm officer to do what he has done to an unarmed civilan - none"

you dont know that lil b. ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? if you spent a year watching your friends blown to pieces by wounded and dead rigged with explosives, and enemy soldiers diguised as wounded civilians, you may not be so willing to trust your life with every stranger you see lying on the ground.

Yup, those are traps set by the enemy. They used their own people to kill the soldiers. As mention before war is war and innocent people will die.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wait, YOU are trying to teach ME that war is not a joke?! I have lived through a war, 2 wars even, what can YOU possibly teach ME about the war? Nothing

and those two wars were?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I want to keep my private life off the boards - but you already know im from Europe, and you can see my age in my profile, and im sure if you know your history as well as you preach to us, you can surly work out what warS im talking about?

why are you avoiding the answer?

and then putting a "private life" spin on things. What wars you lived through would be minor information that you should be more than willing to share with everyone....if your statement wasn't bullsh!t

Orginally quote by Lil Bitchiness
You know, it might have been ''kill or be killed'' some few hundred years ago with ''two armies at war''

That bullshit doesnt exist anymore - now its ''bomb the civilians - kill the civilians - burn down the buildings - hide in the burnt down buildings and wait for an enemy solder to show up.'' THATS todays war.

Who are you to say that "that bullsh!t doesn't exsist anymore" ?

I'd say your view point of "bomb the civilians" is far more bullsh!t. I'm really sure Americans are thinking "bomb the civilians!" 🙄

what has changed so much in the past couple hundreds years to make you think war is anything but "kill or be killed"

You lived through 2 wars....so what exactly do you define bullets flying over your head while your fellow soldiers get gunned down? Tea time?

as for civilians all over getting their heads decapitated, im speaking in the sense of these two forces going against eachother not the whole entire world, although i have yet to see or hear of any decapitations in australia, japan, greenland, iceland, antarctica, united states, or united kingdom, so obviously this world isnt in great chaos as you say it is

Bosnia & Serbia are all in Yugosolvia and part of Kosovo

Originally posted by PVS
lil B, i can understand you being upset by certain incidents of this war. and certain soldiers are just evil bastards...but may i remind you that the title of this thread, and the arguement i declare "STFU" against is this:

"Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?"

now, that is a general statement based on any man or woman who would enlist and put their life on the line for their country. im sorry, but i find that to be entirely ignorant.

" theres no excuse for an arm officer to do what he has done to an unarmed civilan - none"

you dont know that lil b. ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? if you spent a year watching your friends blown to pieces by wounded and dead rigged with explosives, and enemy soldiers diguised as wounded civilians, you may not be so willing to trust your life with every stranger you see lying on the ground.

but like i said lil b., neither of us can pass judgement as we have no idea. we are both sitting at our computers, 99.9% certain that we will make it through the rest of the day without being shot, or blown up. how can either of us even attempt to know what was going through that soldier's mind? maybe he was a gung ho assh0le who should be thrown in jail, maybe he just paniked and made a grave error. it happens in war lil b. many times a soldier has to live out the rest of his life knowing he accidentally shot and killed a friend on his side by accident...thats war.

"Telling us to STFU is little far fetched - and its called freedom of speach. American troops have invaded another country and you are wanting to excuse their terrible acts - how can that possibly be excused at any level? "

thats just it, i didnt tell everyone to STFU. like i said, there is a very thick line between condoning/condemning (through trial, not our uninformed opinions) the actions of one troop and bashing on all soldiers.

Its been made clear that this thread is a generalisation - we can all see that and pretty much everyone commented on it. You did say everyone should STFU, and I quote YOU

Originally posted by PVS
everyone who bashes on their own troops needs to STFU unless they have seen action themselves and have a basis for comparison.

So you have told us to STFU.

Im sorry, I absolutely fail to see your point. What you are telling me, in a nutshell is that its ok for a soldier to kill and shoot civilians because some of the soldiers are pretending to be civilians so they can attack? Thats utter bullshit, no offence, because theres a bigger probability that solder dressed as a civilan in a country of war, is going to die, then if hes dressed as a soldier with a gun in his hand - that is rather simple and straight forward to see, id say. So, there is no excuse for an armed officer to shoot a civilian, nor I can understand anyone who can support this idea.

You're right - i dont know for sure, but my research is far more extensive than of some people in this thread.

This war is not just in any possible way - the war isnt just, and neither are the killings of civilans. (or anyone else for that matter)

This war is not just in any possible way - the war isnt just, and neither are the killings of civilans.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
and those two wars were?
why are you avoiding the answer?

and then putting a "private life" spin on things. What wars you lived through would be minor information that you should be more than willing to share with everyone....if your statement wasn't bullsh!t

I will not share any info about what i used to do or where i used to live or what i have done in my life - especially when people like you. You boviously have no clue of what im talking about otherwise you would have figured it out by now - evidently your recent history and familiarity with the current events is limited to what Bush tells you.
Good luck with that. Im not even gonna have an argument with you, because your knowledge doesnt compare to mine.

Run along.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Who are you to say that "that bullsh!t doesn't exsist anymore" ?

I'd say your view point of "bomb the civilians" is far more bullsh!t. I'm really sure Americans are thinking "bomb the civilians!" 🙄

what has changed so much in the past couple hundreds years to make you think war is anything but "kill or be killed"

You lived through 2 wars....so what exactly do you define bullets flying over your head while your fellow soldiers get gunned down? Tea time?

And that just proved what I said previously - take your ignorance and vent it somewhere else, where people are stupid and will believe the shit you tell them - this isnt the place, there are educated people on here - quit embarrassing yourself.

ok, let me rephrase to clarify:

everyone who bashes on ALL of their own troops needs to STFU unless they have seen action themselves and have a basis for comparison.

"This war is not just in any possible way - the war isnt just, and neither are the killings of civilans. (or anyone else for that matter)"

you are correct, this war is bullshit. however, the majority of civilian deaths are caused by "smart weapons" ...a tragic oxymoron...as opposed to civilians being executed.
i have always verbally (well...literally in this case) condemned
the indiscriminate bombing of cities, claiming lives by the tens of thousands.

well people are kind of clueless if they expect a war without a bunch of innocent victims

true...ESPECIALLY in urban warfare.

true...ESPECIALLY in urban warfare.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I will not share any info about what i used to do or where i used to live or what i have done in my life - especially when people like you. You boviously have no clue of what im talking about otherwise you would have figured it out by now - evidently your recent history and familiarity with the current events is limited to what Bush tells you.
Good luck with that. Im not even gonna have an argument with you, because your knowledge doesnt compare to mine.

Run along.

And that just proved what I said previously - take your ignorance and vent it somewhere else, where people are stupid and will believe the shit you tell them - this isnt the place, there are educated people on here - quit embarrassing yourself.

What's with your attitude?

Why do you think that you are somehow better than me? Your arrogance is the only thing that is embarassing. Stop talking down to other members, particularly myself, just because their views differ from that of your own.

"run along" and "take your ignorance and vent it somewhere else"

It appears to me that you're the one doing the venting right now. I was just saying that what you said should be regarded as bullsh!t until you provide some sort of proof. Just like you said to Arachnoidfreak when he threw out the 98% figure.

evidently your recent history and familiarity with the current events is limited to what Bush tells you

I didn't even vote for Bush, nor do I agree with what "Bush tells me." I question nearly everything the man has to say and try to look at things from different perspectives. You are extremely narrow minded and feel that since you believe something, it must be the only answer.

Don't belittle me just to make yourself feel smart.

And for once, just answer the question. And stop being a snob.

and just to help you out, obviously i don't know what you are referring to, and the reason I ask such a question is because I would like you to enlighten not only myself, but the group.

Dodging the question is the only reason I think what you said is bullsh!t. If you answered it...I'd make you happy and shut up

hmm feeling a alian vs predator comming on

Something that should be mention here. I hope some of you are aware of that old military tactic in which rebels hide in Religious sites so that the enemy attacks them. See, they hide in temples or mosques and when the army comes in for Battle the rebels claims that the enemy is attacking their Religion. Is an old trick to win sympathy and to rally more people agaisn't the enemy. Don't be surprise if they claim a religious site has been disacrated by the Coallition forces. That's exactly what Iraqi rebels or Terrorist want......to make themselves look like martyrs. Don't be fooled so easily is and old age trick.

btw-Can we please avoid calling people ignorant or idiotic. No need to call other people's opinions names. Really...it will detoriate this thread and it is also very CHILDISH to think you know everything.

Originally posted by finti
hmm feeling a alian vs predator comming on

I dont' want it to come to that.

I just asked a question and when I got the run around I called bullsh!t.

She went off on the belittling remarks. I expect more/better from her...being the person she is.