How come?

I have created a lot of threads and they have been repeated threads so I apologise to the critics of this forum. Now I was just wondering again I repeat just wondering how its possible for Anakin to lose to Obi when his supposed to be at his ultimate best in this movie and remember his is the strongest force user ever. Obi doesn’t really seem that strong to me he is wise and effective with a light sabre but not strong in the force so why doesn’t Anakin just overpower him with his strength in the force. And since he is dark side he should be flowing with awesome force powers so again how does Obi get the advantage. My theory is Obi gains a moment of luck like he did with Darth Maul, at least that’s the most believable way in which GL could complete such an unmatched battle its like Superman Vs Batman. 😕 If this has already being discussed then I apologise.

What the heck makes you think that Obi-Wan is no good with the Force? Odd! Obi-Wan is one of the Order's most talented members, favoured by Yoda himself. And Anakin still does not have the benefit of wisdom and experience that Obi-Wan has. And as has clearly been shown, Force powers are not the way to dispatch an opponent- lightsabre skill is.

In fact, if you ask me, I want to know how Anakin ever got good enough to take on Obi-Wan at all. THAT'S the impressive bit.

Luck, how does Obi-wan have luck against Darth Maul. He used the force to beat Darth Maul .It is not luck he uses against Anakin, it is his skill and knowledge of the force he uses to beat Anakin.

the answer is simple.

first of all, all this talk of obiwan being 'lucky' against maul is complete and utter bullshit. when maul killed quigon, obiwan opened up a can of whoopass on maul and OWNED his ass. the ONLY reason maul got that last force-push in was that obiwan lost control, and let his anger get the best of him. maul saw the opening and *WHAM*.

if you disagree, watch the scene again. obiwan takes everything maul's got, and throws it in his face.

now, with that aside, i think for the most part, as awesome as obiwan is, anakin is going to wipe the floor with him. the difference though, is that obiwan will have a clear mind of a jedi master throughout the duel, unlike the younger, cockier version of himself. so, obiwan is the most skilled jedi imho, but anakin has so much brute force, physically AND force-wise. because of that he will have the upper hand.

i think anakin will also be more and more furious, hateful, arrogant, and unfocused as the fight progresses. he will know he is more powerful, but it will get to his head. at one point, i really believe he will lose focus completely like obiwan did with maul, and than *SLICE*.

not a matter of luck, but i think it will be more a matter of patience and focus.

very, very well said PVS. i could not have said it any better. i think that how obi defeats ani will be a throw back to how maul 'saw' obi wan's weakeness in PTM and like pvs said, threw it in his face. obi wan will be aware of ani's frivolous anger and during the entirety of the duel, will be looking for a weakeness. then when he finds one he will shove it in ani's face, pushing him off the cliff, hill, or whatever into the lava pit. it will be a complete echoe to ptm. lucas likes to put alot of echoes in all of his movies which is actually why i like his writing skills. obi knows that the same thing will happen to ani as it did him in PTM, thats how he defeats him... in my belief.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
In fact, if you ask me, I want to know how Anakin ever got good enough to take on Obi-Wan at all. THAT'S the impressive bit.

I believe its been said by the OS team that he acquires this level of skill during the clone war.

i agree completey with PVS. I think since he is stronger, he'll prolly think that he should just be able to kill ob right off the bat, so as the fight goes on, he'll be like,"if im stronger, why cant i kill him?!" and that will just piss him off more and thats when ob1 gets him.

good point JP, i remember in one of the behind the scenes episodes lucas was talking about how the duel is completely an equal one becuase obi is a very experienced jedi (which will serve him in defeating ani) but anakin is more powerful, so its proven right there.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I believe its been said by the OS team that he acquires this level of skill during the clone war.

Actually, the implication was that I knew the answer; I didn't need any filling in. I was just reversing the original point.

BTW, Obi-Wan, in absolutely no way at all, did ever, EVER dominate Maul in that fight. After QGJ died Obi-Wan did indeed go up a gear and meet Maul on a more evn keel... but nonetheless, Maul had the measure of his opponent. Close observation of that fight only reveals that morer and more- Maul nearly always has the initiative and Obi-Wan's defeat was the massively more likely option- this is how Nick Gillard planned it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Actually, the implication was that I knew the answer; I didn;t need any filling in. I was just reversing the original point.

I have come to the conclusion that you go out of your way to disagree with me........

That's just a persecution complex on your part then.

Can I have my stake and some gasoline please?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Actually, the implication was that I knew the answer; I didn;t need any filling in. I was just reversing the original point.

BTW, Obi-Wan, in absolutely no way at all, did ever, EVER dominate Maul in that fight. After QGJ died Obi-Wan did indeed go up a gear and meet Maul on a more evn keel... but nonetheless, Maul had the measure of his opponent. Close observation of that fight only reveals that morer and more- Maul nearly always has the initiative and Obi-Wan's defeat was the massively more likely option- this is how Nick Gillard planned it.

then you need to pause the film when obi cuts mauls saber in half and kicks his sorry ass to the wall. look at maul flat on his ass in the corner wondering wtf just happened? doesnt look like he's doing much measuring there, does he? 😛

hey i guess we all have opinions of our own, but imho, for that fleeting moment, maul got his ass handed to him,

That is ONE move Obi-Wan gets the better of Maul on.

Maul gets the better of him on every single other one.

This is a matter of fact, not opinion. Simple truth is- Maul was better. Any objective analysis of that fight shows it clearly. And Maul doesn't even vaguely look 'wtf?'. He just gets on with it.

Listein it has been stated that Anakin kills dooku and Dooku can last against Yoda so can you imagine the improvements in Anakin. I really dont see Obi being on an equal footing with him in their dual i see it more like Anakin dominating and then Obi finds a moment of weakness there, Now that moment of weakness can not be called as skill what it can be refered to is luck like he got against Maul. I like Obi but he isnt on the same level as Anakin and Yoda and that he is above average but thats it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And Maul doesn't even vaguely look 'wtf?'. He just gets on with it.

what movie did you watch? He's clearly shocked when Qui-Gon kicked his ass off that platform and he landed on his back.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
This is a matter of fact, not opinion. Simple truth is- Maul was better. Any objective analysis of that fight shows it clearly.

not simple fact.
its mostly move and countermove. mostly even.
nobody dominates the entire fight.

maul dominated the both of them, although quigon got a good pimpslap in on maul 😂. maul just wiped the floor wit quigon. but he was not better when obiwan came out swinging.

simple. obi wan won. obi is better. maul is not as head strong as obi was and therefore got whuped. i knew from the moment the red forcefield went down that obi was gonna kick his ass. i said to myself: "oh shtit maul you better watch your ass you killed obis buddy now youre gonna get the shtit knocked out of you!" that was the point of the last part of the duel, showing that obi was a very pawerful jedi when motivated. he did loose face when he got thrown into the pit i agree, but up untill that point, maul weas the one being attacked, its proven by obi throwing the first blow after the sheilds went down.

Well, now I wouldnt say that. Maul was definitely the better and stronger fighter, his downfall was getting to confident and underestimating his opponent.

well, its all opinion.

saying it's simple fact is way too bold.