Originally posted by inthesilenceAnyway, I guess what this whole long freaking rant amounts to is this: We let boys take ballet. Why not let girls play football?
Men can physically distribute the required skill and endure the stress which ballet demands, just as well as women. Women would not be able to do the same in the case of football.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
This whole argument seems incredibly simple... If a woman playing in a women's leage gets to the point where she is so good that she dominates in every game/match/whatever, and wants to try out for a men's team, she can. Is that really so hard to figure out?
As long as she realises that dominating women and trying to compete in a league with the best on Earth are two totally different things and she more than likely isn't good enough.
-AC
Ok i said that girls wouldent understand the whole "men wont go full out against females" argument. i knew the women would not get what we mean. you say that it should not make any difference that you are a girl and that "go all in or dont go at all". that all sounds good in argument, but in reality, its not how it works.
im telling you, I CANT HIT A GIRL~! no matter what, i'd never be able to go full out against a girl because i cant. and like was mentioned before, what if all 21 guys are like that? its not fair to the men to have to deal with that. and it makes a mockery of the game, im sorry but it does. it is true, if i went full on in real life and tackled pretty much every girl i know, id would really hurt her. its unavoidable. and i dont want to hurt a girl. EVER.
you say this is "the mens problem" then, but it isnt. what this means is that it is unfair to the men for women to have to deal with a girl being against them. (Majority rules is a good way of putting it) should always be put ahead of minority, because then its not fair to everyone else. EVEN IF a girl was good enough to play with men (which would be REALLY REALLY rare) it would be rare and the women playing would always be a minority.
i dont understand how you think that is an excuse to not allow women to play in mens sport? why should you be allowed to realise your dream of playing alongside, thierry henry or whoever just because of your gender? I played football for years alongside guys and if anything i endured a tougher time than any of the guys cos it was 2ce as humiliating if i scored against them and some of the dicks felt i shouldnt be allowed to play cos i was a girl. Yeah i'm talking bout soccer but i dont see why it should be any different in any other sport. If the woman is able to compete at mens level who has the right to stop her?
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
(Majority rules is a good way of putting it) should always be put ahead of minority, because then its not fair to everyone else. EVEN IF a girl was good enough to play with men (which would be REALLY REALLY rare) it would be rare and the women playing would always be a minority.
It was Henry David Thoreau who once said: "After all, the practical reason why, when the power is once in the hands of the people, a majority are permitted, and for a long period continue, to rule, is not because they are most likely to be in the right, nor because this seems fairest to the minority, but because they are physically the strongest."
Forgive the unintended pun at the end (as far as it goes when related to this debate). What it means, is basically "The majority is not always right, they just have higher numbers." So, please don't use the argument of 'moral majority' with me, because you're not going to get anywhere with it.
By the way, I am really trying to take you seriously on this now. ((Whereas before I was kind of being an ******* on purpose.)) But I'm thinking these are things we're just not going to agree on, so maybe we should just agree to disagree. As you can see, I have made an effort to get along with other people on this thread, and this is my attempt with you. I don't agree with you, but I do respect your opinion.
Originally posted by botankusthe same good it would do if it was a guys leg that was broken. people get injured, get over it - i dont think any woman would go into a guys sport expecting to come out unscathed
You can philosophize all you want but please tell me what good that's going to do when the ambulance arrives after a nose tackle falls on a girl's leg and breaks it.
You know the whole women playing sports seems kinda hypcritical to me because the argument is that girls can do anything guys can right? Then if we're all equal why are their women leagues? Everyone should play against each other, so yeah I think girls should be allowed to play football american or otherwise WITH the guys.
Originally posted by naybean
the same good it would do if it was a guys leg that was broken. people get injured, get over it - i dont think any woman would go into a guys sport expecting to come out unscathed
I'm over it. Now I'm ready to see Mia Hamm come in for the Denver Broncos and block guys like Ted Washington or Casey Hampton (above) for 62 offensive plays...and for 15 additional weeks after that.
This isn't like tennis. Football can get physical and bloody. There are so many things wrong with letting women play football with men. In terms of skill, I don't see a problem, although womens football is played differently. Potentially a woman footballer is as good, but only potentially, so far. In the real world, women are at a general disadvantage through a little thing known as DNA.
I was watching it the other day, and it was so wierd. Less aggressive and a much slower game. They wouldn't last five minutes in the big hitters of mens footy. It's just another "sisters doing it for themselves" thing to tick off on their never ending list.
There's also the fact that women ARE different to men. There are brick sized books written by so-called feminists detailing how different we are, yet they are the first to moan when either sex is treated slightly differently.
Footy can get really bloody sometimes. Broken limbs, noses, cheek bones. Imagine a male defender flooring a female striker, slamming her to the floor, well within the rules, but she lands funny, snaps her leg. I bet the feminists would be the first ones to moan about the rules (which are as safe as can be without reducing the game to crap). They're never happy.
The worst thing about feminists is that they tend to realise that half of the population of this planet are males, who simply don't agree with half of the crap they talk about. They get all high and mighty about equality without realising a scientific fact - women and men are different, and women cannot match men physically (in general).
Bringing in new laws about sports and women is like burying their head in the sand, it doesn't re-write the humans races DNA so that we are equal, we are different, and the sooner we embrace our differences productively, the sooner we'll become equal. Pretending to be equal by having a law that says "we are" is never a wise option.