Originally posted by Red Superfly
This isn't like tennis. Football can get physical and bloody. There are so many things wrong with letting women play football with men. In terms of skill, I don't see a problem, although womens football is played differently. Potentially a woman footballer is as good, but only potentially, so far. In the real world, women are at a general disadvantage through a little thing known as DNA.I was watching it the other day, and it was so wierd. Less aggressive and a much slower game. They wouldn't last five minutes in the big hitters of mens footy. It's just another "sisters doing it for themselves" thing to tick off on their never ending list.
There's also the fact that women ARE different to men. There are brick sized books written by so-called feminists detailing how different we are, yet they are the first to moan when either sex is treated slightly differently.
Footy can get really bloody sometimes. Broken limbs, noses, cheek bones. Imagine a male defender flooring a female striker, slamming her to the floor, well within the rules, but she lands funny, snaps her leg. I bet the feminists would be the first ones to moan about the rules (which are as safe as can be without reducing the game to crap). They're never happy.
The worst thing about feminists is that they tend to realise that half of the population of this planet are males, who simply don't agree with half of the crap they talk about. They get all high and mighty about equality without realising a scientific fact - women and men are different, and women cannot match men physically (in general).
Bringing in new laws about sports and women is like burying their head in the sand, it doesn't re-write the humans races DNA so that we are equal, we are different, and the sooner we embrace our differences productively, the sooner we'll become equal. Pretending to be equal by having a law that says "we are" is never a wise option.
Very true. The point I was trying to get through.
noone is trying to say women and men are the same! There are very few women who would be able to compete in a mens league in any contact sport, but I dont thinks its fair to deny somebody the chance to do something they are able to do just because of their gender. what coach is stupid enough to put a woman on his team who is not able to compete at that level. I'm not saying change the rules now for the sake of it, but if a woman who is capable of competing against men in any sport tries to i dont think its up to anybody other than the team to deny her that opportunity.
Women cannot, I repeat, cannot play football as good as men.
The very very best female football player isn't even in the middle level of talent with regards to the male rankings.
That's not sexism, it's fact. Have you see the top women's teams play? They're shit.
Women need to get over themselves and realise that not everything is about men stopping you doing stuff coz you're women. Ever think that you're just not good enough?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauriso let her play alongside men that are at the same level as her. this isnt just about the top leagues - the minute a girl turns 12 theres no longer mixed teams - i found that out. this is at all levels not just at the top. if women arent able to make it whats the point of saying they arent allowed to? why dont you just allow them - they wont get picked by teams anyways - why is it so painful to men to change a rule if it isnt going to have an effect anyway.
Women cannot, I repeat, cannot play football as good as men.The very very best female football player isn't even in the middle level of talent with regards to the male rankings.
That's not sexism, it's fact. Have you see the top women's teams play? They're shit.
Women need to get over themselves and realise that not everything is about men stopping you doing stuff coz you're women. Ever think that you're just not good enough?
-AC
As for sexual harrassment - happens in all work places, you get used to it by the time you're 20.
Originally posted by naybean
As for sexual harrassment - happens in all work places, you get used to it by the time you're 20.
So, it seems that the physical issue was never justified for those who think women can lace up the cleats and play football with men. If potential paralysis or broken vertebrae due to weak bone structure isn't an issue, then I'd be scared to hear your argument anyways. Still waiting on justification from a safety/physical injury potential standpoint....
Look, I'm not saying women can't compete with men at things. They can most certainly compete with them in most anything in this world....but football ain't one of them.
*EDIT* Okay, I'll say Roseanne Barr might be able to at least make it until the 3rd quarter. That's about it.
Originally posted by naybean
so let her play alongside men that are at the same level as her. this isnt just about the top leagues - the minute a girl turns 12 theres no longer mixed teams - i found that out. this is at all levels not just at the top. if women arent able to make it whats the point of saying they arent allowed to? why dont you just allow them - they wont get picked by teams anyways - why is it so painful to men to change a rule if it isnt going to have an effect anyway.As for sexual harrassment - happens in all work places, you get used to it by the time you're 20.
Read some of the other discussion. The big deal with this is that the media will f*ck up football more than it already did. If a woman who's playing football and let's say a man tackles her and she breaks something. The Feminists will instantly call him a womenbeater and the media will pick it up. If we allow this, football will be destroyed.
And again, the woman is not the big deal with Sexual Harassment- it's the media who will fuel it and make it a gigantic scandal which will, like before, it will destroy football.
yeah of course theres massive risks - the injuries the guys get playing the sport are pretty menacing but its a risk you take playing any sport. American football isnt where my problem is - i live in UK so play soccer, but the principle's the same. Its not like women cant decide for themselves if its a bad idea or not - if she's not physically up to the challenge she wont take it on and noones going to let her play for their team. But eventually there will be a woman who is capable and does have the strength and she should be allowed to play, even if it is for the crappiest team in the league. I guess maybe the rules wont change until then. I dont give a damn about feminists who want it just for equal rights - i want the rules to change so that when a woman who is good enough does come along the rules she wont have to wait till towards the end of her professional career to prove herself.
Originally posted by Hornymanso let me get this right - i cant play professional soccer for the best team in my country because of the media?!?!? i understand what you're saying but then its up to that woman to turn round and say - actually it comes with the territory. i tend not to like modern feminists because they tend to actually make the situation worse for the rest of us.
Read some of the other discussion. The big deal with this is that the media will f*ck up football more than it already did. If a woman who's playing football and let's say a man tackles her and she breaks something. The Feminists will instantly call him a womenbeater and the media will pick it up. If we allow this, football will be destroyed.And again, the woman is not the big deal with Sexual Harassment- it's the media who will fuel it and make it a gigantic scandal which will, like before, it will destroy football.
Originally posted by naybean
so let her play alongside men that are at the same level as her. this isnt just about the top leagues - the minute a girl turns 12 theres no longer mixed teams - i found that out. this is at all levels not just at the top. if women arent able to make it whats the point of saying they arent allowed to?
You cannot let a woman play but only in the less talented leagues. Not only would that cause women to complain about being underappreciated, but it'd cause the men at that level to complain about being patronised and you know as well as I do that it will end up with women asking to play in the big leagues.
Fact is, football is not a duo-gender sport. Women can play by all means, but they've got their own leagues and their own teams. To ask to be let into leagues where you're going to be obviously inferior, just because you wanna play with men, is selfish and stupid.
Women aren't good enough.
Originally posted by naybean
why dont you just allow them - they wont get picked by teams anyways - why is it so painful to men to change a rule if it isnt going to have an effect anyway.
Well then if you KNOW it's not gonna be worth it or have an effect, why are you saying women deserve the shot? Why even start this debate if you know it's for nothing?
It becomes apparant that your goal isn't to have women's equal in sports (which is impossible), but just to achieve some kind of dull and shallow consideration.
-AC
women will never be equal to men in sports because 99/100 couldnt cope due to physical differences, so you're right thats not my goal but i dont think you, I or anyone other than the team has the right to take away a persons opportunity to play for them. There isnt a woman able to play at that level that i know of NOW, but eventually there will be. why do you feel its necessary to prevent her from playing? You wouldnt be allowing women to only play in the less talented leagues, but thats where most of the female players would start out. How is it selfish to want to play alongside the best? if you're capable there should be nothing stopping you. Like I said maybe the game isnt ready for it now. It probably wont change until a woman proves herself as able to play in a top mens league.