Cyclops vs. Spider-man

Originally posted by h1a8
This post is ridiculous. Spider-man wins easily. Technically, Spider-man is never suposed to get hit. Marvel says that Spider-man's spidersense jerks him outer of danger (even before the attack happens) without his knowledge. Writers have Spidey getting hit because they cannot think of a way for him to have adversity (this is the truth). Have you ever wondered why Doc Ock doesn't die instantly from getting punched by Spidey (in some cases he doesn't even suffer a scratch). Doc is human for crying out loud. His face bones should be shattered in a million pieces (since Spidey can shatter stone, wood, steel, with one punch). Technically, Spider-man is superior to most super powered beings. He is able to lift over 50 tons (his actual max strength goes into unchartered territory) when under stress. He can move at speeds as fast as sound under stress (becoming a blur and multiples of himself). He can endure tremendous amounts of concussive force (bombs, hits by Hulk, etc.). Technically, with the exception of Professor X, Spider- man can even take on the X-men to a standstill. Technically means "No inconsistency with his powers". He simply can't be hit.

What you say about Spidey being too powerful makes no sense at all. If he was really so powerful, why not just pump up his baddies? Look at Flash, he IS speed, do they just sissyfy his crooks? No, they bring them from another angle. They are smarter than what you just defined. Also, he can dodge things as long as its in his power to dodge. Scott's rays keep going after he jumps, he continues to fire. And he will hit. He must. And one hit is more than enough, because Scott can follow up by standing over SM and blasting him for hours. Don't try to tell me that SM is going to survive that kind of punishment. He can only take so much. Oh, and maybe you don't know too much about the X-men, but Pheonix is a member. PHEONIX.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Scott's rays keep going after he jumps, he continues to fire. And he will hit. He must.

Ever tried to hit an as fast as greased lightning bouncing ball that moves in a completely unpredictable way ? That's impossible, and a normal human being can not follow those very very fast moves.

Oh, and maybe you don't know too much about the X-men, but Pheonix is a member. PHEONIX.

(Ok, bad joke but I couldn't resist it lol.)

Oho. You are almost as funny as Dave Chapplle, or Bernie Mac, or me (yes, I know, lame...)
See, the thing is, Spidey is not a greased ball of lightning. He is the size of an average male. His shape causes him to be hitable. He can fling his arms whereever he wants, but his body stays in the same general shape while he's in the air. See what I mean? Now, he can wriggle, but Scott's ray is about the length horizontaly of him, so that is irrelevant.
The he must part shouldn't appear desperate, I was trying to... I forget the word. I mean that I was 'bolderising' Know what I mean? How does it sound desperate anyway?

Originally posted by paeng
Because if Cyclops uses his Full Power Spiderman will be ashes in just a few seconds.

Originally posted by paeng
Once again I'll tell to Spiderman fans that Spiderman can get "HIT" even by a normal robbers and he has been also hit by Kingpin who is a slow poke human I've seen it in comics before, and you're making Cyclops just a normal human being. Spiderfans isn't analyzing the fact that Cyclops can beat Spiderman. Why because he always train everyday in the Danger Room. Plus even if Spiderman has spider sense he always got hit by shocker you see not all the time Spiderman can dodge anything.

Trouble is though, just looking at how Spidey's been written in comics and portrayed as near untouchable by his enemies once he went full-bore with his Spidey speed, saying and having proof that Spidey's been hit by guys like the Shocker and your average bank robber only proves that Spidey either: A) likes to hold back in every area physically (knowing that he has to with pretty much any human enemy he runs into) or B) figures that since he can take the abuse for days on end, why not let the little guy take a shot.

And while Cyclops spent his time training in the Danger Room every day for fights with guys like Sabretooth, Juggernaut, and other guys who rely on their brute strength and power in general to pull them through a fight, I doubt there's been any simulation Cyclops has had to train with the unique combination of superhuman strength, reflexes, agility, speed, durability, elasticity in the limbs twice that of the average human, pre-cog, the ability to adhere to most surfaces, and a vertical leap that measures out to be 30 ft (or higher), such as what Spidey operates with on a day-to-day basis.

At the end of the day, I'd say Spidey stands victorious.

I'm a Spidey fan, but I'm voting Cyclops. One big blast by Cyke and Spidey's worm food.

And while Cyclops spent his time training in the Danger Room every day for fights with guys like Sabretooth, Juggernaut, and other guys who rely on their brute strength and power in general to pull them through a fight, I doubt there's been any simulation Cyclops has had to train with the unique combination of superhuman strength, reflexes, agility, speed, durability, elasticity in the limbs twice that of the average human, pre-cog, the ability to adhere to most surfaces, and a vertical leap that measures out to be 30 ft (or higher), such as what Spidey operates with on a day-to-day basis.

regardless of the result, that is not tue...

cyclops is no idiot... he'd train the xmen and himself to face every type of enemy...

especially after that comic long ago when spidey wiped the floor with all of em...

Originally posted by pr1983
regardless of the result, that is not tue...

cyclops is no idiot... he'd train the xmen and himself to face every type of enemy...

especially after that comic long ago when spidey wiped the floor with all of em...

And I understand that's Cyclop's tactical skills are definitely nothing to sneer at, but I can't see how he can prepare his team for Spidey's agility, reflexes, speed, etc.

This goes especially so for when Cyke is alone and battling Spidey, I just don't see how he can prepare himself physically nor mentally for Spidey's speed, agility, perceptiveness, elastcity that allows him to attack most at multiple angles, etc.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Was that saracasm at the end of your post?

I'm puzzled.

no... there was a comic a long while ago where spidey beat the x-men by himself, cyclops is not stupid enough not to train for a second encounter...

im still reeeling from thatvguy who said speed could lift over 50 tons and move at the speed of sound.....i dont even know how to post after this

Oh, I think you have an inkling 😉
When Scott trained for battles with the likes of the Brotherhood- Toad, he sprt of prepared himself for the likes of Spidey. I mean, isn't Toad something like a Spidey super lite? And if so, than Scott just has to try a little bit harder here.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Oh, I think you have an inkling 😉
When Scott trained for battles with the likes of the Brotherhood- Toad, he sprt of prepared himself for the likes of Spidey. I mean, isn't Toad something like a Spidey super lite? And if so, than Scott just has to try a little bit harder here.

Sure he similar powers to Spidey's own but on a quite lower level. And besides, I doubt that Toad possesses superhuman reflexes heightened by pre-cog. Or superhuman strength for that matter.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
What you say about Spidey being too powerful makes no sense at all. If he was really so powerful, why not just pump up his baddies? Look at Flash, he IS speed, do they just sissyfy his crooks? No, they bring them from another angle. They are smarter than what you just defined. Also, he can dodge things as long as its in his power to dodge. Scott's rays keep going after he jumps, he continues to fire. And he will hit. He must. And one hit is more than enough, because Scott can follow up by standing over SM and blasting him for hours. Don't try to tell me that SM is going to survive that kind of punishment. He can only take so much. Oh, and maybe you don't know too much about the X-men, but Pheonix is a member. PHEONIX.

Many people think that cyclops beam is very powerful. So listen what Marvel has to say. "Cyclops narrowest beam, about the diameter of a pencil at a distance of 4 feet has a force of about 2 pounds per square inch. His broadest beam, about 90 feet across at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of about 10 pounds per square inch. His most powerful eye-blast is a beam 4 feet across which, at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of 500 pounds per square inch". Spiderman has endured bombs and hits from beings like Hulk that are many times this power. Heck even spidey's webbing (a shield) can endure tons of force. Also you are forgetting that Spiderman can move faster than a human can turn his head or blink. Cyclops is a human and thus his senses and reflexes cannot exceed the human limits. So Spidey dodges or blocks (with web shield) Cyclops first attempt while circling behind him (faster than cyclops can blink or move). Then it is all she wrote.

spidey can block scotts attack with a shield of web? dude you slay me

Originally posted by StrawNilla
I doubt that Toad is a near Spidey clone.

Sure he similar powers to Spidey's own but on a quite lower level. And besides, I doubt that Toad possesses superhuman reflexes heightened by pre-cog. Or superhuman strength for that matter.

indeed... spidey is many times toads superior... but i'd be extremely surprised of cyclops hadnt thought of a strategy to bring down spidey, whether it would work is open to debate...

Originally posted by h1a8
Many people think that cyclops beam is very powerful. So listen what Marvel has to say. "Cyclops narrowest beam, about the diameter of a pencil at a distance of 4 feet has a force of about 2 pounds per square inch. His broadest beam, about 90 feet across at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of about 10 pounds per square inch. His most powerful eye-blast is a beam 4 feet across which, at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of 500 pounds per square inch". Spiderman has endured bombs and hits from beings like Hulk that are many times this power. Heck even spidey's webbing (a shield) can endure tons of force. Also you are forgetting that Spiderman can move faster than a human can turn his head or blink. Cyclops is a human and thus his senses and reflexes cannot exceed the human limits. So Spidey dodges or blocks (with web shield) Cyclops first attempt while circling behind him (faster than cyclops can blink or move). Then it is all she wrote.

that is an extremely old bio... if he was really that weak he wouldnt have hurt onslaught or levelled half a forest recently...

no web shield is blocking cyclops... he'll cut through it like a knife through butter...

Originally posted by StrawNilla
I doubt that Toad is a near Spidey clone.

Sure he similar powers to Spidey's own but on a quite lower level. And besides, I doubt that Toad possesses superhuman reflexes heightened by pre-cog. Or superhuman strength for that matter.

End of discussion.

Hm, that pic been has already been discussed. You need more than that.

Discussed. Maybe. Shown. No.

i posted those pics on page two i believe... spidey is not dodging that blast...