Legion does not exist anymore and though powerful he isnt more powerful than Franklin. Plus, franklin has the ability to alter time and reality, meaning he could do the exact same thing. In the time it would take legion to travel back in time, Franklin could already create a reality in which legion never existed.
I knew he had mind powers and i knew he could make realities but i know that juggernauts powers where not of this univers so i think i heard that he would not be under the same rules as of the people of that universe.
Much like molecule man could turn juggeranut into a puddle well he cant because molecule man can alter this reality but juggs is from another. Thats what i heared so i kinda put it together let me know what you think
Juggs power is not from earth but its just cytoraks power. Juggernaut is strong and invenurable but the scale of his power is not that great. Not when compared to somebody like franklin who is so high up on the cosmic scale that he is at the least equal to the celestials.
It wouldnt even be a fight, it would be more similar to LT vs somebody without the heart of the universe.
The only one whos poweres were beyond the multiverse was early beyonder.
Molecule Man can turn Jugs into a puddle...the source of his power is even outside that of the Tribunal, his power comes from the Beyonders who were reated outside of the multiverse by The One Above All. I dont care what marveldirectory.com has to say about Franklin, its antiquated old information that some guy copied from the old marvel handbook in 1986...its not officially from Marvel or a recent writer...Franklin's and Molecule Man's power is on a different level and truly infinite...Jugs is not infinite, his power comes from a being who is only marginally more powerful than Thor hahaha...Im not ten years old, Im 22 years old...were u trying to insult me?...I was just telling u the facts...like clickclick said, ur bias is getting in the way.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Molecule Man can turn Jugs into a puddle...the source of his power is even outside that of the Tribunal, his power comes from the Beyonders who were reated outside of the multiverse by The One Above All. I dont care what marveldirectory.com has to say about Franklin, its antiquated old information that some guy copied from the old marvel handbook in 1986...its not officially from Marvel or a recent writer...Franklin's and Molecule Man's power is on a different level and truly infinite...Jugs is not infinite, his power comes from a being who is only marginally more powerful than Thor hahaha
Molecule Man couldn't do anything to the Juggernaut physically,but that's about the extent of things he couldn't do.
This is all wrong.
The Molecule Man's power isn't infinite or beyond the Living Tribunal's, Cyttorak is more than marginally above Thor,
Think about it juggernaut when weakened be down thor, Juggernaut like you said is a fraction of cyttoraks power so how would cyttorak being a little stronger than thor your logic doesnt make any since please elaborate
and im not bias, I know there are more powerful people than juggeranut, I was not aware of any on earth though, as far as i know juggernauts would not be affected by molecule man because juggeranuts magic would prevent it from happing. Somewhat like when Prof x tried to bring juggernaut to the astral plane but instead pulled prof x to him.
Do you read juggernaut comics? im not trying to be mean or insult your intelegence but have you?
Cyttorak is deity with spectacular magical power, that can probably be on the same level of the Odin's Power and Zeus Power, so is someone that Classic Thor, the Thor without Odin's power and without those orrible beard with mustache, could put in troubles only with his GodForce Blast probably or anyway give him a run for his money, but i doubt that he can defeat him without help.
Back in topic, we were talking about human beings with great powers.
Magneto is mutant, so in an earth inhabitant and he can be put in the list.
Molecule Man possess external power source so he can't be in the list i think.Anyway Graviton, that is actually dead possess powers more above that of Magneto, he can easy kill him without effort.
Graviton during the last THUNDERBOLTS issues try to make the surface of the earth identical to his face, but he was stopped by the T-Bolts, Magneto can manipulate the earth poles and invert them, but he cannot manipulate the ENTIRE earth surface, gravity is everywhere, Graviton can affect anything with his powers, and he can enhance the density of his body to grant himself unbelievable resistance to injuries, and even if he cannot manipulate the energies along the electromagnetic spectrum, he can create powerful force fields and force bolts that are over the level of Magneto, i mean, Graviton can produce sufficient force to hold down Thor, in his first encounter with the Avengers.
And from Marvel Directory some details about his powers:
He can also erect a gravitational force-field of similar proportions. (Graviton can perform as many as four separate tasks simultaneously. (He has not only lifted a 4 mile wide land mass as high as cloud level, but he has also surrounded himself with a force-field, gravitically held most of the Avengers against a slab of rock, and projected force-bolts at Thor all at the same time.) Graviton can use his power at maximum capacity for up to eight hours before mental fatigue significantly impairs his performance, and considerably longer (up to eighteen hours) if he conserves his energy during that time.
But this files are old compared to the feats of gravity control Graviton shows in his last battle with the T-Bolts.He was going to change the form of Earth continents, causing a worldwide proportion disaster, in the files from marvel directory we can check what he can do in his first days as a supercriminal.And during his last fight with T-Bolts he was more powerful than ever
Magneto magnetic powers grant himself to fly for examples, Graviton can decide if magneto can fly or not, and can put him down and then throw him a mountain.Graviton is more god-like of Magneto, but get defeated cause affected by his god complex he underrate his enemies and get outsmarted.If the writers make him as smart as Reed Richards he would own almost any hero.
u should read the rest of the thread, we r talking about people far more powerful than Apocalypse and Juggernaut.
I agree about Graviton, I have been much more impressed with him than Magneto. Even when Graviton performs incredible displays of power he does it casually and without strain, where Magneto would be fully exerting himself.
About Molecule Man, I still consider him an Earthling, even though his power came from the same rift that created the Beyonder and was meant to create a cosmic cube. External or not, he is one of the most powerful humans ever. By that same reasoning you could say Juggernaut doesnt count because his power is external...so is Apocalypse (Celestials). Unlike those two, Molecule Man IS power; not only was he endowed with that cosmic energy, but he became energy. There was a period when he and the Beyonder merged; he couldnt just give his power to the Beyonder and make him complete, his entire psyche and being merged with the Beyonder, because he was that power.
About Juggernaut, Yes I have read almost every comic with the Juggernaut in it...I assume that was what u were asking since he doesnt have a comic book...and it looks like in a couple months he will no longer be an X-men. I own almost all of his classic appearances, Im aware of the nature of his power. Of course Xavier's power was no match for Cain's when he tried to draw him into the astral plane, Xavier's power is earthly and mutant in nature...most people with powers that rely on earthly physics and principles have zero effect on Cain. With his powers coming from Cyttorak, and a different dimension, he kinda operates outside of the Earthly characters. Now this is the part i dont think you understand: u get it how Juggernaut's powers originate from outside of our universe? Well Molecule Man's powers originate from a much more remote source, outside of our universe, even outside of the Multiverse that is guarded by the Tribunal. I certainly dont mean that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Tribunal haha...but I just want u to understand that his powers r more remote than Xaviers, Juggernaut's, and even Cyttorak's. His power originated from the Beyonders, a race of beings who there is no equal to in the Marvel Universe...they exist in a Universe with no light, and were created by The One Above All, before the Multiverse and the Tribunal. So u see Molecule Man's power cannot really be compared to Xavier's...you should also see how Mystically powered opponents have done against molecule man, the beyonder, kubik, and the Shaper of Worlds (Any of them could certainly crush Cyttorak)