Spiderman movies suck

Lets see, im sick too of see some people like black cat and alpha centaury trying to defend the undefendible. So, alpha centaury, are you trying to say that a hollywood actor cant prepare their part? So, what is your definition of hollywood actor? because i didnt understand your weird explanation of that.

Second of all, if you say that kirsten dunst have only played cheerleaders, clearly, you dont know what are you talking about, because kirsten dunst has played some interesting roles . Have you seen the virgin suicides? great performance of kirsten dunst in this movie directed by sofia coppola. Have you seen interview with the vampire? one of the best children acting work that i have never seen. So, what are you talking about? Kirstend is much capable of she did in the man spider movies, but the script was terrible and mixed mary janer character with gwen's.

About my sign, oviusly, i was being sarcastic. The man spider movies couldnt be compared to the death, the chaos or the illness. But they are such one of the worst evils on cinema story.

Please, and that is for alpha centaury, black cat and another man spider fans, when you post something, you should know what are you talking about , if not, you are only being and arrogant guy with his cheerleader.

Second of all, if you say that kirsten dunst have only played cheerleaders, clearly, you dont know what are you talking about, because kirsten dunst has played some interesting roles . Have you seen the virgin suicides? great performance of kirsten dunst in this movie directed by sofia coppola. Have you seen interview with the vampire? one of the best children acting work that i have never seen. So, what are you talking about? Kirstend is much capable of she did in the man spider movies, but the script was terrible and mixed mary janer character with gwen's.

interview with a vampire... child acting, before she hit it big...

virgin suicides... before she hit it big...

fact is there was absolutely no motivation for her to research mary jane, she was getting paid one way or another. whether she could or could not do it is open to debate, but the fact remains that she didn't...

If it was before or after doesnt matter, the case is that she have the talent. She could do more on mary jane, its really ovious.

"Lets see, im sick too of see some people like black cat and alpha centaury trying to defend the undefendible. So, alpha centaury, are you trying to say that a hollywood actor cant prepare their part? So, what is your definition of hollywood actor? because i didnt understand your weird explanation of that."

Oh shut up you idiot. It's not the undefendable. I'm not DEFENDING Kirsten either, I'm saying that she prepared for her part as much as she, and apparantly Sam Raimi, thought was needed. She isn't used to playing parts like that. The nearest she came was playing Claudia in "Interview with the Vampire" and even then it was BASED on the book. Certain actors and actresses will prepare in different ways. She didn't have to be EXACTLY LIKE Mary Jane to act out the part she was given, she just had to be the woman in distress and eventual love interest of Parker/Spidey. Which she did. She did what she was told to do and did it well. Tobey wasn't exactly Parker, Alfred wasn't exactly Ock. They all played their roles as good as they NEEDED to for the movie. That's it. You don't like the movie for your own reasons, others like them for their own reasons. Just deal with it and stop acting like a pathetic little kid.

"So, what are you talking about? Kirstend is much capable of she did in the man spider movies, but the script was terrible and mixed mary janer character with gwen's."

Firstly, the movie is called "Spider-Man". Stop calling it Man-Spider, there's no excuse for ignorance. For everytime you call it Man-Spider I'm gonna call you BoyBaker, see how you like it. Secondly, the script wasn't terrible. Again you are expecting some best acting ever with flawless script and no faults whatsoever. Dude, it's Spider-Man. It's not Hamlet, it's not Macbeth. It's Spider-Man. That movie was maybe not the best that it could have been, but it sure as hell could have been so so so much worse. It's, in my opinion, a great movie. The second one I liked for the action and excitement, I think it floundered a bit at the end but besides that I think they're great. I respect that you don't like them, I don't understand why and I think the reasons for you not liking them are petty and pathetic. But I respect them nonetheless. Grow up and do the same.

"But they are such one of the worst evils on cinema story. "

Dude, go and watch "Catwoman". I'm a Spider-Man fan, I know a Catwoman fanatic. Let me speak for Spider-Man fans when I say we got a better deal. That is one of the most ridiculous claims ever. Spider-Man is not and never will be one of the worst evils in cinema history. That isn't down to opinion either.

"Please, and that is for alpha centaury, black cat and another man spider fans, when you post something, you should know what are you talking about , if not, you are only being and arrogant guy with his cheerleader"

All this coming from a guy who says everything that Mr.Parker and Endenkton says. Speaking of Kirsten Dunst, I'm surprised you three didn't beat her and Eliza Dushku out of their places in "Bring It On". You are the cheerleaders here.

How dare you call yourself a Spider-Man fan? You're nothing of the sort. You're a Spider-Man fanboy. You're a disgrace to Spider-Man fans.

-AC

If it was before or after doesnt matter, the case is that she have the talent. She could do more on mary jane, its really ovious.

before or after does matter, because all that money and fame has gone to her head...

she could do more, but its been years since she bothered...

Alpha centaury, i didnt insulted you, so, dont insult me, ok? But you are the one who is acting like a kid who needs grown up. The only thing that you have answered to my argument are insults things that have been said to death. What im saying is that Kirsten isnt a bad actress, is much more the script fault and raimi fault than her fault. Althought she was a little lazy to prepare the part more, isnt really her fault. Is the same case than tommy lee jones in batman forever or danny devito in batman returns, im pretty sure than both could do a great two face and a great penguin, but the scrpits and the directors let them too much to do with the part.

The movie is man spider, because it is about a guy with organics and not funny at all, and spider man is a guy with webshooters and funny, so, the character in the movie is man spider, there are a clear difference with spider man. I wont remark the other differences because it will be too long and i have said it to the death in many times. If you cant deal with that, is your problem.

A good script and a good movie doesnt need to be Hamlet or Macbeth. Superman has a pretty good script and wasnt Shakespeare. That argument is ridiculous.

Clearly, man spider and its sequel were two of worst movies that i have ever seen in years, as bad as catwoman was , as you have said, it a matter of opinion and taste.

I dont say what mr parker say, im agree with him in this matter , but we have different points of view in another things. If he is agree with me in that, is normally that we post almost the same arguments and points of view. I dont know who Ekleton is, is the first time that i have seen his posts, but im agree with him in what he posted for the moment.

And at last, you are the disgracee for the true spider fans. People like you, acepting any movie about the character are the ones who are proud to be true spider man fans and then go to the cinema and see any kind of spider man movie because is only a guy with a spider man costume on screen. you are the only disgracee here, sir.

"What im saying is that Kirsten isnt a bad actress, is much more the script fault and raimi fault than her fault. Althought she was a little lazy to prepare the part more, isnt really her fault."

It's not her fault that SHE was lazy? Of course it was. Sam didn't make her lazy. I never said she was a shit actress either, just saying she was lazy and THAT'S why.

"The movie is man spider, because it is about a guy with organics and not funny at all, and spider man is a guy with webshooters and funny, so, the character in the movie is man spider, there are a clear difference with spider man"

I think you will find, Boybaker, that the movie is infact called "Spider-Man". The character in it is called Spider-Man. It's not called Man-Spider just because you want it to be.

"If you cant deal with that, is your problem."

If I can't deal with it? You're the person who has such a hard time dealing with the fact that some people DO actually like the movies. If you hate them with such a passion that you let it consume you, go for it man. Totally. That doesn't mean you have the right to try and make it seem like it's a fact. Your opinion is that the movie sucks. Mine is that it doesn't. End.

"A good script and a good movie doesnt need to be Hamlet or Macbeth. Superman has a pretty good script and wasnt Shakespeare. That argument is ridiculous."

Out of Spider-Man you are expecting a performance of classical levels though. That's the ridiculous thing.

"Clearly, man spider and its sequel were two of worst movies that i have ever seen in years, as bad as catwoman was , as you have said, it a matter of opinion and taste."

What movie are you talking about? What Man-Spider movie? Has anyone here seen it? Anyway, no Superhero movie is as bad as Catwoman. None. To put any other movie on that level is just stupid.

"I dont say what mr parker say, im agree with him in this matter , but we have different points of view in another things. If he is agree with me in that, is normally that we post almost the same arguments and points of view. I dont know who Ekleton is, is the first time that i have seen his posts, but im agree with him in what he posted for the moment. "

Of course you do, because you all say the same thing.

"And at last, you are the disgracee for the true spider fans. People like you, acepting any movie about the character are the ones who are proud to be true spider man fans and then go to the cinema and see any kind of spider man movie because is only a guy with a spider man costume on screen. you are the only disgracee here, sir."

I was thinking of taking it back when I called you an idiot but I realise now it wasn't an insult. You actually are incompetent. Your whole hatred of the movie is him not having webshooters.

Let's take a look at that again, coz it's a little baffling at first glance.

Your reason for hating this movie is because he doesn't have webshooters. Ok he doesn't have webshooters, but he still shoots web from his arms by curling in his fingers. You're no true fan. You've abandoned Spider-Man as soon as something YOU didn't like happened. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko obviously thought genetic webbing was a great idea and they created the character that you claim to love. If they thought it was good and if they aren't sitting there bitching, whining and crying about it, why are you?

The answer is because you want Marvel to change everything and apologise to you. You feel like Marvel OWE it to you.

Newsflash buddy: They've got real fans like me, Cat, PR and many others in the comics forum who support them and their choices provided that the changes are justified. You are so far up your own crack to swallow your pride and admit that you're insignificant.

This whooping has been presented courtesy of Alpha Centauri Incorporated.

-AC

About Kirsten, so, what is the discussion here? Its clearly that the real fault is from the script and the director, althought Kirsten could want to do the character more like in the comics, the director and the scripter wouldnt let her to do that. Is the same case thant Jones in batman forever, surely that he wanted to do a more serious two-face, but shumacher and akiva goldsman wanted a campy character. Surely that she could fight more on do the character properly, but what we seen on screen is more a result of the script and the director's way.

Centaury alpha, the name of spiderman on the tittle doesnt mean that the character is spider man. Its only man spider.

Nothing consume me, and less a movie. Im only posting my opinion as a true spider man fan and a comic and movie fan.

Im not expeting nothing classic in a spider man movie. Dont put words on my mouth. I was only expecting a good and loyal script and good performances and a spider man movie. I only watched just the oppositte.

The man spider movies, with catwoman and batman movies( specially batman and robin) are absolute garbage of the same level.

You are only a liar, and a bad one. I never had said that i hate the man spider movies only for the web shooters. There are a lot of things that i hate in the movie, as i have said in my before post. But i have said it so many times that is boring posting it again. You are still posting words in my mouth.

Stan lee hate the organics, and im sure that ditko too.

You and your group of man spider fans are only a bunch of people who claims to be true spider man fans and go and love any kind of thing about spiderman, even if is so a betrayal with the character as those movies were or the tv series were. You and your group are the only insignificants in your minds. I feel sorry for you, kid.

About Kirsten, so, what is the discussion here? Its clearly that the real fault is from the script and the director, althought Kirsten could want to do the character more like in the comics, the director and the scripter wouldnt let her to do that. Is the same case thant Jones in batman forever, surely that he wanted to do a more serious two-face, but shumacher and akiva goldsman wanted a campy character. Surely that she could fight more on do the character properly, but what we seen on screen is more a result of the script and the director's way.

how on earth can you know if jones wanted to do a better two face? kirsten wasnt bothered, she was getting paid, why should she bother. blaming everything on raimi and the script doesnt work.

Centaury alpha, the name of spiderman on the tittle doesnt mean that the character is spider man. Its only man spider.

Nothing consume me, and less a movie. Im only posting my opinion as a true spider man fan and a comic and movie fan.

and we're not true fans because we can overlook a small thing like genetic webbing? please...

You and your group of man spider fans are only a bunch of people who claims to be true spider man fans and go and love any kind of thing about spiderman, even if is so a betrayal with the character as those movies were or the tv series were. You and your group are the only insignificants in your minds. I feel sorry for you, kid.

so you know us all personally and know whether we're true fans or not? sure...

insignificant? if that makes u feel big then sure, throw names around...

"About Kirsten, so, what is the discussion here? Its clearly that the real fault is from the script and the director, althought Kirsten could want to do the character more like in the comics, the director and the scripter wouldnt let her to do that."

So....Kirsten being lazy in her role is everyone elses fault but hers? If the director and film crew wouldn't let her research and had a problem with it, how did Tobey manage to read many many many comic books in the months leading up to shooting? The director cannot prohibit from researching. So what is it you are trying to say? Sam Raimi went, "Listen Kirsten, you know nothing about comics so I'm just gonna not let you research."? Stupid.

"Centaury alpha, the name of spiderman on the tittle doesnt mean that the character is spider man. Its only man spider."

Ends with an I you moron. Secondly, no it's not called Man-Spider. The movie and character are called Spider-Man. God, you're like a kid.

"The man spider movies, with catwoman and batman movies( specially batman and robin) are absolute garbage of the same level. "

No they're not, but this could go back and forth.

"You are only a liar, and a bad one. I never had said that i hate the man spider movies only for the web shooters. There are a lot of things that i hate in the movie, as i have said in my before post. But i have said it so many times that is boring posting it again. You are still posting words in my mouth."

Give me the reasons, list them, why you hate the Spider-Man movies. Unless you stop the childish denial and start calling it by it's actual name, I will no longer be debating with you coz you're only proving that you're not on my level.

"Stan lee hate the organics, and im sure that ditko too"

Did he? Oh right then. Who was that guy on "Mutants, Marvels and Monsters" with Kevin Smith? The one who said he thought it was a fantastic movie? That grey haired guy. The one who created Spi....ohhhh it was Stan Lee.

"You and your group of man spider fans are only a bunch of people who claims to be true spider man fans and go and love any kind of thing about spiderman, even if is so a betrayal with the character as those movies were or the tv series were. You and your group are the only insignificants in your minds. I feel sorry for you, kid."

A) Learn grammar and spelling. My first request.

B) Get...over...it. It's not a betrayal. How are they betraying you? You don't own Spider-Man. You never helped make him or create him. You didn't pay for any part of the movie being made. You lost nothing but the price of admission to the theatre. If you didn't like it, hate it or whatever, fine. Sorry that you lost your cash. Besides that you really have no right, authority or reason to complain in the way that you are. I can understand really disliking a movie but jesus. You are really taking it too far.

-AC

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ock
[B]I'm not getting involved in this flame war but I will say this to Alpha Centauri.Your holyier than thou attitude,that you're the best and people don't want to mess with you etc is only provoking more arguments.

yeah thats why I'm not going to bother with this Alpha Centauri dude anymore as well.its a watse of time with him listenting to his insane ramblings.

*Stands above piles of past debaters who tried and failed, then looks down at Mr.Parker*

Yes...I rule the world now, literally.

-AC

Really, this alpha centaury guy is really pathetic. I can discuss with people like red superfly, because i respect him althought we arent agree in many issues, but he always respect the other who is discussing with him. Discuss with someone who is so full of ego and arrogance like this centaury guy, who is pride of his discussion skills and say things like he isnt in the level of the other who is discussing with him is really a waste of time. Go and watch yourself in your mirror, dude. Im sure that it what do you like more.

For the other guy question, Oviously, when a serious actor like tommy lee jones, with a serious and respected acting career of many years in cinema, tv and theatre take a so serious and tragic character like two face and play him like a histrionic clown, doesnt make sense. It should to be the idea from another people.

pretty funny that ock is telling you the samne thing dude,that you got nothing but a thou I am holier than you all attitude.Bakerboy it would be wise to ignore his insane ramblings.He demonstarted his chidishness in his first post to Endenken of -Shut the hell up.why bother wasting your time with someone who goes on insane ramblings and just insults you? I know Im done wasting my time with him.Just like all man-psider fans on this thread,he does nothing but throw insults at you.do what me and ock have done,walk away from his insane ramblings and insults and ignore him.

Hahaha I got two replies out of a jokey two-liner.

Get a sense of humour you fools. I was joking.

I respect both of your opinions, you don't understand that. I respect that you don't like the movies, that is up to you and it's your choice. However, you cannot expect respect when you go around making fun of those who do like it or trying to convince them that it isn't right to like them.

Black Cat called the Spider-Man movies great and Mr.Parker laughed at her at started poking fun. That kind of thing isn't called for. If you want to have your opinion respected, then respect that people won't always agree with you.

-AC

I love the Spider-Man movies.They really are great.But they are far from perfect.Being a Doc Ock fan I will address the problems I had with SM-2.

-Starting with Doc Ock.First off Alfred Molina was perfect.They couldn't have picked a better actor.He looks like Otto Octavius,he is a remarkable actor,and when he was playing the really villainous scenes he was great.True Ock.But he was underused.He deserved more screen time.Raimi focused too much on the love story.And secondly Ock's noble deed at the end of drowning the reactor.Ock would never destroy his own creation.As soon as the reactor went crazy Ock would of said "Your problem Spider-Man" and left him to deal with it.But aside from that he was perfect.Alfred Molina rules as Ock.

-Secondly was the romance.I'm all for the Peter/MJ story but Raimi made it the main focus of the story and it dragged in some scenes.I got a little sick of listening to Dunst whining about how Peter was always letting her down.

-Third was the humour.I love the humour.But Raimi laid it on a bit too thick with Peter Parker.In some scenes he made him out like a clown.I did laugh at Peter's misfortunes but it got a bit too much with him falling over in the street.Save the real comedy for Jonah Jameson.

-And Kirsten Dunst.She couldn't be more wrong for the character of MJ.For the reasons mentioned by other posters.

Aside from those minor complaints I loved the movie.SM-2 was far better than the first.And I firmly believe that was due to Alfred Molina's Doc Ock.He raised the bar in this movie.

alpha, i got the "im gonna ignore you" speech, didnt last very long...

Originally posted by Mr Parker
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ock
[B]

yeah thats why I'm not going to bother with this Alpha Centauri dude anymore as well.its a watse of time with him listenting to his insane ramblings.

You're not going to pst here anymore? FINALLY! 😱

Originally posted by BlackC@t
You're not going to pst here anymore? FINALLY! 😱

Now see this is the kind of thing that is provoking the flame wars here.

Mr Parker is a good poster as is Bakerboy.They are persecuted because they don't like the Spider-Man movies.That should not be so.

Respect eachothers opinions guys.

"They are persecuted because they don't like the Spider-Man movies.That should not be so."

Go look at the posts these guys make. If you so much as hint that you like the movies, they grill you for it. Or attempt to. They're pissed coz they can't do that to me.

If they want respect they gotta give respect.

-AC