Re: Cheating in school.. good or bad?
Originally posted by KidRock
I recently watched a movie and at the end they gave a statistic saying 80% of kids say that they have cheated in school. I have cheated on some of my school tests and now I am in good classes and will be able to go to a good college. Do you think this is morally wrong? I would much rather cheat my way through highschool and get in a good college then spend countless hours studying just to get bad grades like a lot of my friends do. what do you think?
Well, it's not morally wrong if your school says so and your teacher says so. In some classes, everyone is allowed cheat sheets, as long as everything is the same, it's ok. But guess what? It's not.
Let's say something crazy, like someone is telepathic and can "hear" or "pick up" on the thoughts of others, if they use this ability on exams, and others don't have this gift, is it cheating? If they are picking up the energy from the teachers and the teacher doesn't realize it, and they get 100%, is that cheating, it is if everyone doesn't have the same advantage, but nothing is exactly fair for everyone like that in life anyway, I haven't seen it so far. Life can appear unfair.
The idea behind studying is to develop character, haha, I know. You can be the brightest person, but if you don't have a well developed character, you aren't going to be reflective enough on your actions and may not realize the "smarter" or better way to do things b/c you never tried. When studying, you kinda have to admit that you don't know something, that's hard for a lot of people to do, that takes humility (and staying away from false pride). You may organize the information in a wrong way and have to re-organize it, that takes organizational skills. While studying, you may have to memorize information that seem endless, that takes patients. And you have to desire the outcome, think positive and affirm the positive and keep the negative self talk away, that takes dedication.
So, in character, we have:
humility
positive self talk
organizational skills
patients
dedication
and
motivation
and much more that i haven't thought of.
Look, if you know you have poor study skills, then go to the book store, grab a cup of Joe, and read books on how to study better, spend a couple of hours or how ever long, even days, until the entire idea is in your head and known by heart. After you master the skill of how to approach studying, it's a matter of implementing it, getting yourself motivated. I sometimes struggle with motivation, and it really has to do with desiring the positive outlook in things, when you picture the negative in the steps to take you to what you need to do, it causes you to slowly approach the matter (procrastination). Remember, negativity SLOWS down learning (that thought life slows down a lot of things, learning is just one thing that it hurts, it also slows down your ability to get things down, depressives know this, even though that's an extreme example). Unfortunately, a teacher or boss, may not know the reasons why or even care, why a person doesn't have or consistantly show these skills, so they apply the negative in order to acheive a desired outcome, but most of the time, they find that it doesn't work. A mentor is the best to have, it's great if your mentor is your parent and supports your goals in life, but that's rarely the case, it's very lucky to have a mentor in your field of study, if you work hard enough, and are positive, you may find many mentors along your way.
oh, and if you think of "skill" as methods to doing something, you can be confident that as long as you apply the right skills, you will eventually become very good at what you do. so, study "skills", is just the method of studying. math "skills", is just the method of mathematics, once you understand the method, it's just a matter of not being lazy, and (you know this is coming), negativity leads to laziness (but not always, sometimes the food we eat can effect our outlook or physical state, certain foods make us sluggish/lazy...laziness is just an outer trait, could be caused by lack of proper rest, negative outlook, self discipline, toxic friends, etc..i am repeating myself...sorry).
so, when studying, watch your diet, eat a lot of fish or get your omega fatty acids, plenty of greens (get 5 colored veggies a day, and two fist full of veggies for every one fist full of meat or carbs). get good rest. (sorry if this is nasty) chew food to liquid to avoid digestion problems, avoid processed foods as much as possible, and avoid too much fried foods (maybe once a week).
stay away from toxic friends (even if they seem SO COOL, plenty of toxic people hide behind a positive farce, just so you can get close enough for them to apply their negativity), stay away from alcohol (kills brain cells, and if your body can't produce the right amount of brain cells and you are killing it off more then the body is able to produce, guess what you will have, brain atrophy, shrinking of the brain, although, it can be caused by a lot of things, brain injury, chemical imbalance, ect..), get plenty of rest.
so:
1. stay away from toxic friends (you will know them b/c they will be against anything you do that is positive in your life, if not in words, in deeds).
2. eat right
3. exercise
4. plenty of rest
the reason why our country is getting foreign workers to do our job, isn't b/c of a grand conspiracy to globalize the world, it's b/c some of us are so vexed by negativity, we are helpless (depression, drug habits, lack of motivation, etc.), and when that happens, corporations start to look elsewhere to find people to do the job. it's not always b/c of some big bad plan, it's also b/c too many kids don't care about school b/c the cool toxic kids train everyone to play dumb, and after playing dumb for so long, well, you get the picture, it becomes a habit, habits can be broken but it's worth it, doing something (positive or negative) 3 times or more creates a habit, so you decide.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i used to write the answers on the bottom of my tennies.
Did you by any chance get that idea from "Growing pains?"I use to look behind a math book for the answears.I am not sure about now but I remember the answears were at the back of my book at one point.
That changed when I was homeschooled no answears and I suck at math so I guess cheating did not help me at all with being awful at math.LIve and learn I guess!jm 😉
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Did you by any chance get that idea from "Growing pains?"I use to look behind a math book for the answears.I am not sure about now but I remember the answears were at the back of my book at one point.
That changed when I was homeschooled no answears and I suck at math so I guess cheating did not help me at all with being awful at math.LIve and learn I guess!jm 😉
Well, not everyone can be gifted in mathematics....some people are better at English for exa.....oh...oh. I'm soo sorry.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, not everyone can be gifted in mathematics....some people are better at English for exa.....oh...oh. I'm soo sorry.
you apply math b/c of the discipline, i hate it when people are naturally good at something apply negativity to it (by being exclusive, or making fun of the person, by spoon feeding bits of information they know doesn't matter, by purposely confusing someone while they are learning just for kicks...and a teacher could be in a school or on the job, plenty of people who have a gift can be very bratty) b/c the gift afforded them the LACK OF REFLECTION and sometimes b/c of the lack of reflection, they also have a lack of empathy, and good teaching requires empathy, and that goes for the teaching in schools, at home, and on the job. so, asking a gifted person is sometimes like asking a computer why it runs, it doesn't know why, it just does it. asking a person who had to train their minds in math or another skill (discipline) has earned it and could be much more articulate when asking the missing link (such as the "why" and "hows"😉, a gifted teacher may find those questions stupid and may lack empathy toward non-gifted students, or students w/o the program/algorithm already in their head, that's all "gifted" is, the person don't have to reflect on the process, the process is already there, so they go faster when thinking about that particular matter, it's nothing to oppress someone over. That's why teachers who are great at math may not be the best math teachers, they have the gift like a program downloaded in their brain, they can tell you the steps b/c it's easy to them, but they may not be reflective enough to tell you how, that's a major problem in teaching, the lack of empathy b/c of the lack of reflection. in cases in which the teacher was a gifted math student themselves, may be frustrated to find that the only kids or students that "get it" are the ones who are gifted themselves, that's b/c the teacher may not be able to "connect" to the missing link in the students who don't have the "math program" in their heads, if they don't, they will have to apply discipline and learn the method until it's intuitive.
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
you apply math b/c of the discipline, i hate it when people are naturally good at something and they apply negativity to it b/c the gift afforded them the LACK OF REFLECTION, so asking a gifted person is like asking a computer why it runs, it doesn't know why, it just does it. asking a person who had to train their minds in math or another skill (discipline) has earned it and will be much more articulate when asking the "why" and "hows". That's why teachers who are great at math may not be the best math teachers, they have the gift like a program downloaded in their brain, they can tell you the steps b/c it's easy to them, but they may not be reflective enough to tell you how, that's a major problem in teaching, the lack of empathy b/c of the lack of reflection. in cases in which the teacher was a gifted math student themselves, may be frustrated to find that the only kids or students that "get it" are the ones who are gifted themselves, that's b/c the teacher may not be able to "connect" to the missing link in the students who don't have the "math program" in their heads, if they don't, they will have to apply discipline and learn the method until it's intuitive.
And some are just too stupid.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And some are just too stupid.
I'll say it again, b/c unless someone is retarded or has a retarded condition, there is not excuse. Apply negativity all you want. I am not against gifted people, but I do not like the oppressive atmosphere of some of them. And that also includes athletes, if you have the gift, good for you, applying negativity only feeds your ego. These same people do wonders for our society when they are not negative to those around them, but sometimes, they are just as bratty as beautiful people, if you have the look, good for you, but don't oppress people because you have something that you never had to work for. Most positive people won't be jealous and even if they are, won't do anything bad because of it.
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You apply math b/c of the discipline. You exercise in anything to acquire and maintain discipline without discipline, we have no country, and this is not a joke, and I am tired of cool toxic kids and spoiled bratty teachers who think everyone is stupid but the "gifted". Sure, when the gifted are honorable, they service us in ways that is beyond our ability to give thanks, but when they turn bratty, it's really a mess.
I hate it when people are naturally good at something apply negativity to it, for instance, by being exclusive, mocking a learner or non-gifted person, by spoon feeding bits of information they know doesn't matter, by purposely confusing someone while they are learning just for kicks, or offering snide remarks.
A teacher could be in a school, a parent, or on the job. And there is a difference between someone who is gifted and someone who is skilled. Plenty of people who have a gift can be very bratty because the gift afforded them the LACK OF REFLECTION and sometimes because of the lack of reflection, they also have a lack of empathy. Empathy is very important in training anyone, because we are emotional human beings with an ego structure.
Good teaching requires empathy. If a gifted teacher lacks empathy or the ability to reflect or desire, they can do a lot of damage to the learners, and sometimes, it's done expressly. Asking a gifted person a (stupid) question is sometimes like asking a computer why it runs, it doesn't know why, it just does it. Asking a person who had to train their minds in math or another skill (discipline) has earned it and could be much more articulate when asking the missing link (such as the "why" and "hows"😉. A bratty gifted teacher may find those questions stupid and may lack empathy toward non-gifted students. Think of "non-gifted" as students without the program/algorithm already in their head, and the opposite is all "gifted" is, the person doesn't have to reflect on the process, the process is already there, so they go faster when thinking about that particular matter. That's not a good excuse to abuse or apply negativity, nothing to oppress someone over. That's why teachers who are great at math may not be the best math teachers, they have the gift like a program downloaded in their brain, they can tell you the steps b/c it's easy to them, and will always have the correct answer like a calculator but they may not be reflective enough to tell you how or any other reflective position (such as questions). That's a major problem in teaching, the lack of empathy because of the lack of reflection. In cases in which the teacher was a gifted math student themselves, the teacher may be frustrated to find that the only kids or students that "get it" are the ones who are gifted themselves, that's b/c the teacher may not be able to "connect" to the missing link in the students who don't have the "math program" in their heads, if they don't, they will have to apply discipline and learn the method until it's intuitive, they will have to work harder and ask a lot of questions, but there is nothing ridiculous about working hard or asking questions, negativity slows down learning and may cause students, employees, or children to shy away from failure, as learning is a process of getting over failures in our self, it's a process to be respected.
Originally posted by KidRock
I recently watched a movie and at the end they gave a statistic saying 80% of kids say that they have cheated in school. I have cheated on some of my school tests and now I am in good classes and will be able to go to a good college. Do you think this is morally wrong? I would much rather cheat my way through highschool and get in a good college then spend countless hours studying just to get bad grades like a lot of my friends do. what do you think?
Originally posted by Bardock42
May I ask what "You apply math because of the discipline means"...I mean I am sure it is bullshit altogether what you say, but that part I don't get.
Yes, math requires discipline, discipline is in it's application (if you think it terms of algorithm it doesn't seem that way). When I was high school, I wasn't good at test taking at all. In class, I would learn the algorithm to whatever math principle we were studying, so when the teacher would quiz us, I was one of the spitting out the answers like a machine, b/c once you know the code, it doesn't change. Now, if someone goes through memory problems, and finds it hard to remember every "rule" in the algorithm, then they will have a harder problem even if they once found it easy. That's the only thing behind being smart, is that if you ever start to develop memory problems, you will have to figure a more clever way to handle things, lack of memory doesn't make you stupid, but it will cause you to work more cleverly.
Re: Cheating in school.. good or bad?
Originally posted by KidRock
I recently watched a movie and at the end they gave a statistic saying 80% of kids say that they have cheated in school. I have cheated on some of my school tests and now I am in good classes and will be able to go to a good college. Do you think this is morally wrong? I would much rather cheat my way through highschool and get in a good college then spend countless hours studying just to get bad grades like a lot of my friends do. what do you think?
I agree 👆
Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Yes, math requires discipline, discipline is in it's application (if you think it terms of algorithm it doesn't seem that way). When I was high school, I wasn't good at test taking at all. In class, I would learn the algorithm to whatever math principle we were studying, so when the teacher would quiz us, I was one of the spitting out the answers like a machine, b/c once you know the code, it doesn't change. Now, if someone goes through memory problems, and finds it hard to remember every "rule" in the algorithm, then they will have a harder problem even if they once found it easy. That's the only thing behind being smart, is that if you ever start to develop memory problems, you will have to figure a more clever way to handle things, lack of memory doesn't make you stupid, but it will cause you to work more cleverly.
.....w-what?