Magneto vs Apocalypes

of course it does...EM energy hits the pi-bonds in highly conjugated molecules which registers as color to our eyes...but that in no way convinces me that hypothetically Magneto could neutralize Black Bolts powers because he has a control of magnetism.

Magnetic force acts on the electrically charged protons and electrons inside atoms including those involved in weak nuclear interactions.

This means that while Blackbolt may be able to manipulate weak nuclear interactions, Magneto can manipulate the atoms involved in weak nuclear interactions.

the powers of Blackbolt r not fully explained...Richards has also said that Blackbolt has power over electrons...I dont know how his powers work...regardless, his sheer power is greater than magneto's...just because Magneto's power is very fundamental, it doesnt make him immume to people more powerful than himself.

You are correct, it does not necessarily immune to these powers, but it may give him the ability to neutralize or manipulate them in ways we do not know about.

this is the kind of situation that I think Magneto would find himself overwhelmed...just like if u teleported him to the center of the Sun...he would be overwhelmed...too much too fast.

What about the unified-theory? Stated in the science of marvel that Magneto probably could control all the four forces. But the thing he how good he is able to do that cos his main power is magnetism.

im not sure...but we r comparing him to beings who control reality itself...infinitely higher than mutants in control of energy

Ok i thought u were comparing him to Blackbolt and he can't control reality. Why don't we just leave Magneto alone sure he is not the most powerful mutant but he is a REALLY cool character

JuggernautFan
where do you see evidence that magneto can match apocalypse??

and do you even know what issue i'm talking about with blackbolt??

What has Apocalypse done? Has Apocalypse ever showed his personal power like Magneto? Evidence being he's messed with the Earth's magnetic polarities. He ripped adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton. Has anyone ever dented true adamantium? Magnus liquified the stuff out of Logan's body - true adamantium at that. So Apocalypse can shape shift and control his molecule, I doubt he's as durable as adamantium.

Issue? Oh JuggernautFan, enlighten me. Blackbolt's whisper has KOed Hulk and Gladiator before. His scream overloaded Watcher Doom. Apocalypse laughing off Black Bolt's scream? Boy, a scream is weaker than a whisper. 😘

Has anyone ever dented true adamantium?

I thought wolverine didnt have true adamantium.

What makes you say that? Wolverine does have true adamantium. Wasn't the term adamantium first used to describe Wolverine's claws? I highly doubt it's not true adamantium.

I would love for eric to take this 1 but it was not in my understanding to be. The elder entity was in the time spanning ship that rebelled & just attatched itself to x factor. I celestial monitor with load of secrets. who says that battle takes place on earth or in the 3rd dimention anyway. it could be in the 11th Dimention where Gravity comes from or the non metalic universe or the in-betweener. I see a lot of hope for Magnus. no real way of winning though 😈 😈

Originally posted by Beyonder
What has Apocalypse done? Has Apocalypse ever showed his personal power like Magneto?

usually he is beating people down left and right. he also set his sights on something higher than magneto.... he has tried to defeat the celestials (which is ultimately not going to happen obviously).

Originally posted by Beyonder
Evidence being he's messed with the Earth's magnetic polarities. He ripped adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton. Has anyone ever dented true adamantium? Magnus liquified the stuff out of Logan's body - true adamantium at that. So Apocalypse can shape shift and control his molecule, I doubt he's as durable as adamantium.

he doesnt have to be, and of coarse magneto has control over adamantium because of magnetism... lets see him try to hit it with his fist and see how far he gets 😉 this is rather irrelavant...

Originally posted by Beyonder
Issue? Oh JuggernautFan, enlighten me. Blackbolt's whisper has KOed Hulk and Gladiator before.

yes, yes it has...

Originally posted by Beyonder
His scream overloaded Watcher Doom.

actually it didnt overload the power. it overloaded a battery that stored the power. much less daunting now that the whole story is revealed 😉

Originally posted by Beyonder
Apocalypse laughing off Black Bolt's scream? Boy, a scream is weaker than a whisper. 😘

yes, he did.... he laughed it off. apocalypse is more powerful than magneto and he definately has what it takes to beat him.

the more people have in common the more you want to link them. i see a lot of connections to bind these oppressed & scientific lifes together but outside of the common agendas. that fight would be short & sweet . I could almost see them working together like the klu klux klan & the nation of islam. 2 stupid hedz is beder dan 1 hed 📖 magneato fans don't you bet any farmland that you need. mags wants to mutants & 2pac wants to push the envelpoe away. go fig. that is a comic i would buy.
gotta be better than wolverine Vs. Galactus. That pissed me off. 😠

JuggernautFan

usually he is beating people down left and right. he also set his sights on something higher than magneto.... he has tried to defeat the celestials (which is ultimately not going to happen obviously).

Who? Left and right? Anyone worth mentioning?

he doesnt have to be, and of coarse magneto has control over adamantium because of magnetism... lets see him try to hit it with his fist and see how far he gets this is rather irrelavant...

Irrelevant? Since when is Apocalypse's magnetic proof? His armor is a weapon for Magnus to use. His blood has iron in it for be used. He'll get ripped apart and twisted like Logan's adamantium. And how many times have we seen Magnus use his fist in a fight? That there is irrelevant, Magneto never get's into a fist fight with people. Secondly, Apocalypse's going to need to get past the force field. If Apocalypse is stupid enough to get into a fist fight with Magnus' force field, then let the fool play Hulk.

actually it didnt overload the power. it overloaded a battery that stored the power. much less daunting now that the whole story is revealed

yes, he did.... he laughed it off. apocalypse is more powerful than magneto and he definately has what it takes to beat him.

Righty, His power was able to over load Doom; his whisper KOed Hulk and Gladiator in the past. Apocalypse laughed a SCREAM (not a whisper) from BLACK BOLT - WITHOUT HELP? So you think a whisper is greater than a scream then. 🙄 If nothing, Apocalypse should have been in pain and or bleed from Black Bolt's scream, not laugh. He had other's powers to back him up during that scream from Black Bolt.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Irrelevant? Since when is Apocalypse's magnetic proof? His armor is a weapon for Magnus to use. His blood has iron in it for be used. He'll get ripped apart and twisted like Logan's adamantium. And how many times have we seen Magnus use his fist in a fight? That there is irrelevant, Magneto never get's into a fist fight with people. Secondly, Apocalypse's going to need to get past the force field. If Apocalypse is stupid enough to get into a fist fight with Magnus' force field, then let the fool play Hulk.

yes, irrelavant. you have no proof that apocalypse eats, or has iron in his blood. you also have no proof that his "armor" is even magnetic. or if its even metal at all. as far as i can tell its his skin, cause he can morph it... he looks pretty much the same as he did from his origins, excpet a little modified. i highly doubt magneto has any control of apocalypse body in the fight period... unless you have actual proof... so again i say... its IRRELAVANT. you are assuming way to much.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Righty, His power was able to over load Doom;

it overloaded a battery. that was already charged with cosmic energy. reed new it would have a limit to which it would malfuncion if it went passed. not only was it charged with the watchers energy, reed farther charged it with susans energy. THEN blackbolt screamed into it, which pushed it over the limits. did you read the story?

Originally posted by Beyonder
his whisper KOed Hulk and Gladiator in the past.

and...??

Originally posted by Beyonder
Apocalypse laughed a SCREAM (not a whisper) from BLACK BOLT - WITHOUT HELP? So you think a whisper is greater than a scream then. 🙄

nobody said a whisper was more powerful than a scream i'm saying apocalypse is more powerful than the afformentioned characters. and he did laugh at it. you are getting confused.

Originally posted by Beyonder
If nothing, Apocalypse should have been in pain and or bleed from Black Bolt's scream, not laugh.

but he wasnt in pain, and he didnt bleed...

Originally posted by Beyonder
He had other's powers to back him up during that scream from Black Bolt.

do you know the issue i speak of?

Beyonder: Have you read or heard of for that matter, Amazing X-men #3. Here's the Link in case you never heard of it http://ocean.accesswa.net/Comics/366/Comic.aspx. of this one http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/2260/amaz3.html

In this issue, basically Magneto visits Xavier's grave, but Bishop reminds him they're on a perimeter alert. Magneto destroys and recreates the gun he has pointed at him, then tells Bishop to fire over his left shoulder. He could sense the Infinites' teleportation, which was done by Vanisher, who vanishes. Magneto and Bishop destroy the Infinites, but then Apocalypse himself attacks and defeats them. Magneto plans to set a plasma rifle to overload and kill them all, but Apocalypse says Vanisher is going after Charles, so he wants to live to protect him. Apoc beats both Magneto AND Bishop in a one on one confrontation.....

Magneto with the aid of Nate Grey and the X-men finally took down Apoc in the end and NOT by any Magnetic powers but a "team effort"..Although it's an alternate timeline which never happened the marvel writers gave us a sort of basis of "what would happen" given the two X-men villains battle it out and had a chance to give reason for a Magneto/Apoc battle.Magneto loses badly WITH help...and he had all his magnetic powers....

hmmm, although i want to say yes, thats solid evidence, generally we dont bring alternate realities into debates. they arent "concrete". try to stick with mainstream.

err if i remember correctly, Magneto beat apoc by himself, nate didnt help in anyway ( well he fought holocust while magneto fought Apoc, right?) I did not see nate attack APoc when magneto was. Also magneto beat him with HALF his power.

lets avoid he iron in the blood thing too...Apoc is vastly more durable than a regular human...I would assume Mag couldnt use it to hurt him...and considering APOCALYPSE HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OF HIS MOLECULAR STRUCTURE!!! its not going to be a factor.