Magneto vs Apocalypes

JuggernautFan

yes, irrelavant. you have no proof that apocalypse eats, or has iron in his blood. you also have no proof that his "armor" is even magnetic. or if its even metal at all. as far as i can tell its his skin, cause he can morph it... he looks pretty much the same as he did from his origins, excpet a little modified. i highly doubt magneto has any control of apocalypse body in the fight period... unless you have actual proof... so again i say... its IRRELAVANT. you are assuming way to much.

It's not his skin. His skin and armor are two different thing. Hank Pym has armors that grow or skrink in size with him, but it's not part of his skin, same with Apocalypse. Morph and Mystique are other examples. Proof, where's your proof that it is magnetic proof? AOA showed Magneto ripping him to pieces. That's more proof than you have so far.

nobody said a whisper was more powerful than a scream i'm saying apocalypse is more powerful than the afformentioned characters. and he did laugh at it. you are getting confused.

Your saying his durability is above Hulk and Gladiator? 😘 Are you feeling okay? With a tiny fraction of his power, Black Bolt knocked out Hulk and Gladiator. But when Black Bolt unleashes a full scream of his power, Apocalypse LAUGHS IT OFF? 😕 Apocalypse >>>>> Gladiator or Hulk in durabilty? 🙄 .....yeah, Hulk and Gladiator's are such weaklings.

Black Bolt's WHISPER in the ear = Hulk & Gladiator KO

Black Bolt's SCREAM = Apocalypse laughing it off? 😆 At least he should have bleed or be in pain, not laugh off such an attack that dwarfs what put Hulk and Gladiator down.

do you know the issue i speak of?

It seems not JuggernautFan. If he fought Black Bolt by himself before and stood against Bolt's attack, then I like to know. What issue are you talking about?

SarKastic_OJ

In this issue, basically Magneto visits Xavier's grave, but Bishop reminds him they're on a perimeter alert. Magneto destroys and recreates the gun he has pointed at him, then tells Bishop to fire over his left shoulder. He could sense the Infinites' teleportation, which was done by Vanisher, who vanishes. Magneto and Bishop destroy the Infinites, but then Apocalypse himself attacks and defeats them. Magneto plans to set a plasma rifle to overload and kill them all, but Apocalypse says Vanisher is going after Charles, so he wants to live to protect him. Apoc beats both Magneto AND Bishop in a one on one confrontation....

I took a look at that issue and:
1] The Vanishers surrounded Magneto & Bishop
2] Apocalypse was hiding in wait; if he could take both, he shown himself rather than hide in the dark and used his lackeys as diversions
3] Bishop blasted one (killing it or not is unknown); Magneto took all of them out by himself
4] Both got attacked from nowhere & Magnus is out for a second & Apoc beats down Bishop; surprise attacks isn't much of a feat
5] As you've said, he didn't want to detonate that gun cause his son was in danger; Apocalypse then attacks an already weakened Magneto and slams him into the ground. Nur admit's that Magnus was HALF THE MAN HE ONCE WAS, refering to Magnus' mentality and physcially.

If Nur took both face to face, we'd have something of a feat. But all he did was attack both of them from the dark while his lackeys acted as diversions. Hardly proof that Apocalypse is all the he's said to be. During that fight, about three times it referenced that Magnus had LOST HALF his powers when he TOOK DOWN Apocalypse's Celestial Ship. So basically Apocalypse beat a half powered Magneto, after attacking him from the shadows.

This isn't much of a feat for Apocalypse IMO, but thanks for the directory geocities link SarKastic_OJ, 'cause just the issue number Amazing X-men #3 wouldn't have been much of a clue for me.

JuggernautFan hmmm, although i want to say yes, thats solid evidence, generally we dont bring alternate realities into debates. they arent "concrete". try to stick with mainstream.

It's not an alternate universe IMO. It started in a mainstream book and ended up in a mainstream book. Holocaust and Nate came from this timeline - there existence was the result of the Age Of Apocalypse occuring. Without it, they wouldn't exist. And last I checked, Holocaust was a lackey to Onslaught during the Onslaught Saga which is in continuity. Magneto, Apocalypse, Xavier, Sinister, the X-Men, etc. are the same people that would result in "mainstream" as you call it, but Legion came back to the past and interupted time. Everyone in AOA are the same people but in a different situation: Xavier died and Apocalypse took over w/o much opposition. This is hardly your What Ifs, Kingdom Come, Universe X, DC 1 Million, etc. These are the same people with nothing different except interference in the past changed the situation. If it was just an alternate reality, Legion's killing of Xavier wouldn't cause Iceman & Storm (who Xavier recruted) to cease, leaving Bishop (who Xavier didn't recruit) left in that timeline. AOA Xavier, Magnus, Apocalypse, Victor Von Doom, Tony Stark, etc. AREN'T ATERNATE REALITY characters, they ARE the real deal, but Xavier's death and Apocalypse timing changed everything. Everyone in AOA aren't different versions, they're the same people, the people that would have resulted in the current/"mainstream" timeline had Xavier was not killed. Again, started in mainstream timeline/book and everything that happened in AOA resulted in the ending of it in the main/current timeline.

Wynndar

lets avoid he iron in the blood thing too...Apoc is vastly more durable than a regular human...I would assume Mag couldnt use it to hurt him...and considering APOCALYPSE HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OF HIS MOLECULAR STRUCTURE!!! its not going to be a factor.

He does have complet control of his moleculer structure, and that's about it. What else does he have? And adamantium isn't a regular human. I still haven't seen anybody do to adamantium what Magneto with his personnal powers did. This whole "complete control over molecular structure" is an iffy. I mean the Legacy Virus shouldn't have affected him if he truly does have such control down to the moleculer level, alas it weakened him. Apocalypse isn't all that Marvel makes him out to be. If he had better showings like in Evolutions (which surpasses comic Apoc) or X-Men 90s (which is what he should be in comics but isn't), then I without a doubt would say he'd put down Magnus. But in the comics, Apocalypse hasn't shown much. For all the hype that he's this all powerful 1st and oldest mutant with Celestial tech, he hasn't shown much. What's he done aside from shape shifting abilities?

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Let's clear this up:
1] Having Celestial tech - it doesn't mean he knows how to read most the Celestial stuff, otherwise he'd conquer the world already. Doom has done this twice with only his tech. Heck, Doom is basically a cosmic threat with his genius, while Apocalypse has yet to take over the world. And he was only successful in AOA cause Xavier died and the heroes and villains of Earth had yet to be established, only the X-Men. Just cause you have the tech, doesn't mean you can read or use it to it's FULL potential.
2] 1st mutant & oldest - still means nothing. Being the 1st doesn't necessarily mean your the most powerful. Oldest doesn't equate to being WISE, not when your an individual from the time of ancient Egypt spending your time fiddling around with advance tech - from Space Gods nonetheless.

It's not that I favor Magneto, it's that Apocalypse for all the hype hasn't done much personally. Heck, IMO Apocalypse should be fighting the Avengers by himself as well, but he isn't. Though Apocy does have powerful lackey's to do his binding, he himself has yet to prove his might as claimed. 90s X-Men Apocalypse would evil and kicked ass. He rarely relied on lackey's and kicked everyone of the X-Men's butt by himself. Comic Apocalypse is all talk and no nothing.

I never liked apocolypse he looks so retarded. If u guys ever watched the old x men cartoon in the 90s and u seen the 4 parter "beyond good and evil" where magneto apocolypse and mr sinister team up you would see that magneto and apocolypse turn against each other and magneto wins but the horsemen and mr sinister help apocolypse after magneto nearly throws him out of time.

Magnetism exists between the electrically charged protons and electrons inside of atoms, and between the molecules in our bodies and in objects.

So while Apocalypse can arrange the structure of his molecules at will to increase his mass and strength, or to assume a different shape or form, Magneto can control the force between his molecules, and potentially prevent or limit him from exercising this power.

Magneto's power is not ultimate...his power over Magnetism has to be greater than Apoc's own...however, as to who can generate the greater manifestation of their respective powers, I do not know.

It's not an alternate universe IMO.

Your description was that of an alternate reality according to marvel.

ehh...i would say characters in that universe r ther own characters...thus what happens to Apoc and Mags in AoA is only in reference to those two...if they came into the mainstream jus like x-man or holocaust, then they would be their own characters...not necessarily the same as their mainstream counterparts...ie. Dark Beast.

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Your description was that of an alternate reality according to marvel.

And to be more precise, unlike others. It started out in mainstream and ended in mainstream. And it wasn't just in an X-Men book but others as well. I disagree that it an altnerate reality, but if I were to see it as an alternate reality, it's different from others. Every character in AOA (except created ones like Holocaust & X-Man) are as they WOULD BE if Legion had not killed Xavier. The only difference between the mutants from normal timeline and the AOA is their situation, not their powers. Magneto lost half his power when he took down Apocalypse's Celestial ship in the AOA, but that's because he took down that ship. In normal timeline, Magneto doing the same thing would probably result in the lost of half his powers.

Wynndar

ehh...i would say characters in that universe r ther own characters...thus what happens to Apoc and Mags in AoA is only in reference to those two...if they came into the mainstream jus like x-man or holocaust, then they would be their own characters...not necessarily the same as their mainstream counterparts...ie. Dark Beast.

AOA character's aren't different in powers compared to regular timeline ones, so it's not a stretch or anything to use them to gauge what would happen in the regular characters. Their clothes may have been different, but they're still the same people. AOA didn't happen before they were born, it happened after. It's the same people yet driven by different motives in a different situation.

Apoc wins nuff said.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Apoc wins nuff said.

why are there 2 of these?

Department of Redundancy Department.

Originally posted by True Sinister
why are there 2 of these?

Apocalypse: know this I exist in more than one reality...I am external

Powers: Variable, but mostly consisting of energy transmorgification and physical metamorphosis. After entering an alien space-craft, En Sabah Nur was forever altered into something beyond human, or even mutant. He now has utter control of his own molecules, can add to his mass and height at will, and possesses almost unlimited strength. and that is only a taste of my masters power....Ah hahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahhaha (ahahhahhahahahahahha)

soon you shall all taste the power of.................(............) Apocalypse!!!!!!!!!👀👀 even now he watches your every move.

Originally posted by Fieldy69
I never liked apocolypse he looks so retarded. If u guys ever watched the old x men cartoon in the 90s and u seen the 4 parter "beyond good and evil" where magneto apocolypse and mr sinister team up you would see that magneto and apocolypse turn against each other and magneto wins but the horsemen and mr sinister help apocolypse after magneto nearly throws him out of time.

sad55

Apocalypse: you dare mock your master?

somebody said that apoc was the first mutant, that's wrong. it was revealed that selene was before him

Originally posted by stormfront13
somebody said that apoc was the first mutant, that's wrong. it was revealed that selene was before him

😑 ❌ 😕 Wait does she count as a mutant? Isnt she an External and also an ancient sorceress? 😠

yeah she is a mutant, she is also an external, has all the powers of the externals except apocolypse, and is also a sorceress. some writer said that she was before apocolypse.

Mainstream: Apocalypse my master, are you not the first mutant?
Apocalypse: yes..child.

see that proves it!!! v

well a while back it was revealed that selene came before apoc