Should gays be allowed to adopted kids?

Started by BackFire41 pages
Perhaps we shall all adopt this policy of judging people as worthy or unworthy--shall I then insult those who smoke, who ride bicycles without helmets, who drink alcohol, who go tanning, who do anything that could be considered STUPID? All the above (aside from the bicycle bit) permanently harm the body. Such behaviors defy conventional wisdom, yet many do it--are they deserving of being insulted?

No, because these people are not doing anything harmful to another group, such as taking away basic human rights because of a particular and harmless lifestyle, they are doing something that may harm themselves, but they aren't saying "gays/blacks/mexicans shouldn't be able to do *insert basic human right here* because they are gay/black/mexican" big difference.

In what manner are prejudice beliefs stupid? They may be narrow-minded and morally questionable, but how are they stupid?

stu·pid ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

The manner in which they are stupid falls under definition 2 and 5. They are making poor decisions by not allowing the same rights to gay people, which falls under definition 2. This will be looked back on in the future as prejudice and a mistake, much like the way black people were treated in the past is looked at as a mistake today. Their opinion is also pointless and worthless, definition 5. To deprive another human being of a basic right simply because they have an illogical (there you go, used a word instead of stupid for you, now no more bitching about it) problem with it that is based on prejudice, ignorance, and basic simple mindedness is blatantly stupid as far as I can see. Espcially by going by definition 2 and 5.

No, read your post above mine. You were acting like a child throwing a tantrum, going on about incest and individuals being stupid, saying that "right-wing Christian extremists" should not be allowed to have children. That is not calling their prejudices stupid. That is you spewing forth your own hate and rage against these people in a tantrum-like episode.

While I have this dictionary webpage open -

joke ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jk)
n.
Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
A mischievous trick; a prank.
An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.

What I said was a joke, a harsh one, but a joke none the less. I assumed the absurdness made it obvious (yes, I know not all rednecks commit incest) that it was a joke. I didn't think anyone could have the low amount of brain power necessary to take what I said seriously....but here we are. If I really thought that right wing rednecks shouldn't have children then I would be no better of then those who want to deprive that same right from homosexuals. If me saying this as a joke is immature and a tantrum, then what does that make those who actually BELIEVE that taking away rights from other people is acceptable, and somehow positive? Oh, that's right, it makes them stupid.

Anywho, I don't back down from my statements of anyone who promotes prejudice against a group of people by wanting to take away basic rights, is stupid to me. Let me explain exactly what I mean by "stupid" though. I don't mean to say their intelegence is lower then normal (though this is often the case), what I mean is that their beliefs are so horribly wrong that they can only properly be described as stupid, dumb, idiotic, retarded, or disgusting.

A lot of Bible talk here. I can't say that I actually read the Bible through and through. Does watching "The Ten Commandments" every Easter count?

Quite possibly you can get the jist of what the bible claims to be from The Ten Commandments...

You can also get the jist of what the bible claims by staring into the toilet after you've taken a shit

Well, not everyone has quite the power of insight to find meaning in a toilet, but you never know. I kind of have a feeling something would be lost in the translation. 😉

You'd be surprised.

I'll admit there is alot of questionable and even objectionable aspects and things in the bible, and people often misuse it, which is a shame, but there are still some, some, good social comments, though sadly they may often be ignored.

Who said, "I have just read the Old Testament, and frankly, I'm disgusted by both man and God."

I asked a college philosophy professor that and he gave me a name, but I can't remember it. (It was at a bar, so, you know...). Anybody know?

Originally posted by BackFire
You can also get the jist of what the bible claims by staring into the toilet after you've taken a shit

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Feceman> And I thought you had a sense of humour. Oh, well… Seeing as you took my post so serious, I can make my own conclusions…

BF> “Okay, some of that is exaggerated, but not by very much, unfortunately.”
I know what you mean. The point I was trying to make as well.

” believe this happens because their wonderful god knows that if they began to breed outside of their own gene-pool that they would contaminate the rest of the world who has some common sense and over the course of a few generations more of their bullshit would expand too others and as a society would retard back to the early 1900's mentality where everything is bad except eating and sleeping. ”
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Oh, man… BF, you made my day. Somehow it’s a relief to see what I think put down so un-diplomatically!

Adam_Poe>”What does he "rock" exactly, the edge of ignorance cliff?”
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Pure gold!

Anyone here who needs to see why gays should be allowed to adopt and rednecks shouldn’t be allowed to breed should just read through this thread. Compare the length of posts, the arguments presented, and the level of wit.

Can ANYONE give me an argument OUTSIDE of religious texts, as to why gays should not be allowed to adopt kids?
Lesbian couples raise well-adjusted teenagers http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6670
Yep, that’s a fact: “Teenagers raised by lesbian mothers show no developmental differences compared to those brought up by heterosexual parents, according to the first large national study in the US.”
BIG surprise to those with half a brain or more.

The manner in which they are stupid falls under definition 2 and 5. They are making poor decisions by not allowing the same rights to gay people, which falls under definition 2. This will be looked back on in the future as prejudice and a mistake, much like the way black people were treated in the past is looked at as a mistake today. Their opinion is also pointless and worthless, definition 5. To deprive another human being of a basic right simply because they have an illogical (there you go, used a word instead of stupid for you, now no more bitching about it) problem with it that is based on prejudice, ignorance, and basic simple mindedness is blatantly stupid as far as I can see. Espcially by going by definition 2 and 5.

Then, per the definition, said individuals doing behavior that is unwise means that they are stupid.

What I said was a joke, a harsh one, but a joke none the less. I assumed the absurdness made it obvious (yes, I know not all rednecks commit incest) that it was a joke. I didn't think anyone could have the low amount of brain power necessary to take what I said seriously....but here we are. If I really thought that right wing rednecks shouldn't have children then I would be no better of then those who want to deprive that same right from homosexuals. If me saying this as a joke is immature and a tantrum, then what does that make those who actually BELIEVE that taking away rights from other people is acceptable, and somehow positive? Oh, that's right, it makes them stupid.

Generally, I find jokes to be light of heart and funny. The amount of hatred in your post left no such sensation.

I am amazed by all this, to be frank. If I had attacked homosexuals with the amount of vitriol that you attacked "right-wing Christian extremists", then there would be a complete uprising by the KMC boards. People would have attacked me, hammering away invectives and insults against me.

What bothers me the most of all is the two arguments that everyone seems to be hurling around about forcing one's beliefs on another and prejudice. Are not we all forcing our beliefs on another by either allowing or disallowing the right for homosexuals to adopt? If I refuse, I am forcing my "idiotic" Christian beliefs on you. If you allow for adoption, you are not forcing your beliefs on me--although you are--but you are doing what is right and good.

And who are YOU to speak of prejudice? Are you not prejudice against Christians? Are you not full of loathing towards the "right-wing Christian extremists"? Indeed you are.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Then, per the definition, said individuals doing behavior that is unwise means that they are stupid.

Generally, I find jokes to be light of heart and funny. The amount of hatred in your post left no such sensation.

I am amazed by all this, to be frank. If I had attacked homosexuals with the amount of vitriol that you attacked "right-wing Christian extremists", then there would be a complete uprising by the KMC boards. People would have attacked me, hammering away invectives and insults against me.

What bothers me the most of all is the two arguments that everyone seems to be hurling around about forcing one's beliefs on another and prejudice. Are not we all forcing our beliefs on another by either allowing or disallowing the right for homosexuals to adopt? If I refuse, I am forcing my "idiotic" Christian beliefs on you. If you allow for adoption, you are not forcing your beliefs on me--although you are--but you are doing what is right and good.

And who are YOU to speak of prejudice? Are you not prejudice against Christians? Are you not full of loathing towards the "right-wing Christian extremists"? Indeed you are.

agreed

Well I don't want to get into this argument.. but I don't see how allowing gays to adopt is forcing our beliefs on you, you wouldn't be affected at all. But I do see the double standard you're talking about.. it does seem to be a lot more acceptable to bash Christians than it is to bash any other group these days.

well the christians had 1000 years of bashing everyone else so I say give them back

Gays dont deserve to have kids end of discussion

I could be wrong here.. but I doubt Feceman was around 1000 years ago. In fact I doubt any Christians on this board were around 1000 years ago. But you're right.. Christians should be bashed and white people should submit to slavery.

yeah I know, I was kidding you realize that, probably not I wouldn't either if I read my post, but anyway no one deserves to be bashed but gays at least don't force their belives onto others. They just want freedom like every human being sjhould have. Like Locke said "Life, Liberty and Property" for every human being

Yeah I thought you were kidding but couldn't tell for sure.. there are people who actually do hold that attitude. My bad.

No problem

Originally posted by Napalm
Gays dont deserve to have kids end of discussion

You know what? Shut up. I'm sick of your stupid-ass remarks. Who are YOU to tell someone that they don't deserve to have kids because of their sexual preference? You do NOT have the right to tell someone what they do or do not deserve to have or do.

Come out of your cave and realize that this is the 21st century.