Should gays be allowed to adopted kids?

Originally posted by BackFire

Now, as far as a man marrying a toaster, this is simply silly and impossible because again, a toaster can't consent to marriage, plus I think everyone (aside from a few wackos) will agree that marriage should be between two living beings, seeing as a toaster is not alive and thus not capable of love, it can't be married.

Toasters suck anyway. Marry something useful, like a DVD player. I'm already practically married to one. Mine is actually quite consentual, and alive. We talk all the time. 😖

Well, I wasn't even comparing the two, really. It's just that if you make gay marriage legal, there's naturally going to be opposition, support, and ANOTHER group that will want some kind of equal rights appeasement. There's always going to be a "minority".

Yes, however not every minority is harmless and thus deserves "equal rights". I'm sure at some point we'll hear something about NAMBLA wanting to stretch marriage into their reach sot hey can marry children. This would never happen because it's a harmful lifestyle. Homosexual lifestyle is not immoral or harmful in any way, thus it is one lifestyle that deserves equal rights.

Nobody. It would morally handicap the sanctity of marriage because it defies the very definition of the state of the practice. To be blunt, homosexual marriage isn't what was ever intended. It would be a "socially evolved" appeasement, but not one that everyone should be forced to honor after it being one way for so long.

That's a common misconception when discussing this topic. No one would be FORCED to recognize or marry them if it went against their particular religion or whatever. All it would do is allow them to get married by any of the number of religions that would choose to do so. Such as Budhists.

Also, laws do need to change from time to time, as society changes laws and standards also change. If nothing ever changed then black people would not have the same rights as white people, and women wouldn't be able to vote.

Perhaps homosexual marriage wasn't intended when the idea of marriage was concieved, however, they probably didn't want inter-racial marriages either at one point. I'm sure they didn't expect marriage to be used as a way to get money from someone, as it is now. Or as a prize on a crappy TV show. All of these things happen, regaurdless of the fact that these most obviously weren't intended when marriage was created. So just because something may have not been intended when the idea was created doesn't mean it should never be allowed. Logically speaking, both of these things I mentioned are far more harmfull to the sanctity of marriage then allowing two people of the same sex who love eachother dearly to be united in one of the most meaningful ways two people can be united.

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Toasters suck anyway. Marry something useful, like a DVD player. I'm already practically married to one. Mine is actually quite consentual, and alive. We talk all the time. 😖

I'd prefer a VCR, the slot for a VHS tape can be used for.....other things. The slot in a DVD player is a bit too small.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, however not every minority is harmless and thus deserves "equal rights".

All points taken, and I agree for the most part. The morality issue is rooted in me being a Christian, and that's my only issue, aside from being a fan of what marriage used to be. Just want it to be special for me when it finally happens..which has to be soon..so says Ms. Addiction.

As for the VCR, get one of those TV/VCR combos. That way, you can watch yourself. 😆

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I just hope they raise them in as unbiased an environment as possible, for the consideration of the child, with their orientation not making an impact.

I assume you hold heterosexual parents of a homosexual child to this same standard?

I mean, if heterosexual parents truly care, surely they would reserve their open affection and keep it in private.

That is unless they feel as if THAT i.e. men kissing women, etc. is the way things are supposed to be.

Certainly, straight parents will raise a gay child to be open-minded while not alienating him from homosexual practices so as to not confuse him later on.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I assume you hold heterosexual parents of a homosexual child to this same standard?

Of course I would. You can't deny someone's/your own child's personal convictions. Chances are, by the time a homosexual "child" is familiar with his sexual orientation, he will have already gotten "the speech", and be sound enough of mind to know what behaviors are associated with what orientation. I'd hope a parents love would be as unconditional as their minds would be open. I sympathize for those who aren't, though. Acceptance isn't easy, period.

Again, twisting my words, not once did I say homosexuality was a "unhealthy lifestyle", I said the "unhealthy EXPOSURE" to a lifestyle that a child doesn't CHOOSE to be a part of is detrimental their upbringing.

I've got to say that's a pretty crap argument. How would having homosexual parents be unhealthy exposure to a child? If anything it'd make them grow up and accept the fact that a couple doesn't necessarily have to be a man and a woman.

And there are children who everyday are, as you put it, unhealthily exposed to a lifestyle they don't choose to be part of. I grew up in a broken family with an alcoholic for a father, I SURE as hell didn't ask to be exposed to that. Going by this logic, anyone who drinks or smokes or does drugs shouldn't be able to adopt because the child doesn't choose to be part of a lifestyle that has these things involved. We could even go so far to say that heterosexual couples shouldn't be able to, because the child doesn't choose to be raised in that environment!

"Going by this logic, anyone who drinks or smokes or does drugs shouldn't be able to adopt because the child doesn't choose to be part of a lifestyle that has these things involved."

Eh, actually I don't think many people would object to this. Especially parents who do drugs. I don't think drug abusers should be able to adopt children...seems pretty open and shut to me.

No, I'm not saying an alcoholic family or someone who smokes or does drugs all the time...I'm talking about say if they have one or two drinks every once in a while, that sort of thing. I agree with you on the drug-user thing; I don't know why I threw that in there, actually.

I assumed as much, just had to make sure. 🙂

As do I, there are certain conditions that are so negative to a child that a parent should be prevented, such as someone with a dangerous drug addiction, or an abusive person. The difference is though that such cases would have to be decided on. Heterosexual people wouldn't be banned from adopting altogether because of a "few bad eggs", just as I don't think you could ban all homosexuals just because a few might do something that would lead to "unhealthy EXPOSURE". And to be honest, I don't really see what is wrong with two people who are in love (or think they are) kissing. I will admit I am pretty sure my parents held hands and I saw that, and I don't think it really affected me. Yes, some forms of affection shouldn't be seen by a child, but I don't think innocent things like a kiss, between gay people or a heterosexual couple, should have to be hidden.

Meh, it's late and I'm tired, BF 😛

"I don't think innocent things like a kiss, between gay people or a heterosexual couple, should have to be hidden."

Seeing how people act when they're in love isn't going to mentally damage a child...unless they should happen to walk into the bedroom late at night...heh. But seeing two people kiss, hold hands, etc, isn't going to affect a kid other than them seeing how people are supposed to act when they're in love...so yeah, I agree with what you said.

I think that a child who's being raised by gay parents would almost definitly lash out against them for being "different" during those rebelious teenage years.

In heated arguements about other matters, I think the kid might bring up their parents sexual preferences as a negative thing...but it will always be seen as a low blow and a weak ploy.

Utimately I don't think it will hinder their relationship, nor will it result in the child being raised improperly.

Letting a homosexual raise a kid is just as irrespobsible as letting and ex con have a kid

Shut up, no one wants to hear your bullshit anymore, Napalm...

Link is right a teenager would lash out against his gay parents its just gonna happen.

well said SS, napalm can u explain y is it irresponsible

ROTFLMAO!! napalm has JM on his buddy list, no wonder his ideals!!

Originally posted by A4E
ROTFLMAO!! napalm has JM on his buddy list, no wonder his ideals!!

Shut up JM is just someone thats earned my respect

OK nambla is real?!!?! i thought it was an invention of south park!!

OK am sorry if i offend anyone, but NAMBLA is just sick!!
i mean go gay people, they're cool, they should gave children, they should b able to marry, they should b able to do evereything staright couples do, but men with boys?!! thats sick!!