I agree. I don't think it is selfish for a homosexual couple to want kids, and if a child is in the position where they are up for adoption, then ending up in a loving relationship is a great thing, whether the parents are gay or straight. The attitude of others, while a problem, should not stand in the way of potentially creating good families.
"why is it not fair for the kid? if two gays love eachother so much they want a kid, it's only great for the kid that he'll get raised in a loving family"
What about when he/she goes through school and his friends parents won't let them go around to the house for a playdate because the kid has two Dads?
-AC
Indeed. There is a plethora of things that can lead to a child being tormented or teased in school, but none of them are enough to lead to a group of people being banned from adopting children, and really, it is a sad state of affairs when the right to have a child, to care for and nurture a child is deprived because there are small minded people in the world who would possibly be nasty.
"who claims that will happen? do you have any proof for this?"
Take a look at a majority of the world we live in.
As time goes on it's becoming more and more acceptable to be homosexual but still. I find it quite selfish to want to satisfy a need at the expense of a childs possibly traumatic upbringing.
Tillen nobody is saying it's wrong to want to care for a child.
-AC
"so you have absolutely no proof to claim that that will happen to the child, nor have proof that the child will get traumatised by having gay parents. Why should anyone believe your opinion then?"
*Hurls a Chill Pill*
Take it.
Now, firstly I didn't say anyone had to believe my opinion.
Secondly, I have seen multiple situations and heard of multiple situations where children have been indirectly or directly deprived of certain childhood aspects due to having gay parents. For example, my sister know a gay couple who had adopted. The kid gets bullied at school due to their parents claiming "She has two dads." It does happen. Not guaranteed, but it can happen. I personally would rather avoid that. I know two females who adopted, their kid has suffered ridicule also. Not as bad, but ridicule nonetheless. I think it may be because mothers are more at home with their kids being around lesbians than gays. Due to the maternal instinct of females.
It's an opinion. Not asking anyone to believe it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"so you have absolutely no proof to claim that that will happen to the child, nor have proof that the child will get traumatised by having gay parents. Why should anyone believe your opinion then?"*Hurls a Chill Pill*
Take it.
Now, firstly I didn't say anyone had to believe my opinion.
Secondly, I have seen multiple situations and heard of multiple situations where children have been indirectly or directly deprived of certain childhood aspects due to having gay parents. For example, my sister know a gay couple who had adopted. The kid gets bullied at school due to their parents claiming "She has two dads." It does happen. Not guaranteed, but it can happen. I personally would rather avoid that. I know two females who adopted, their kid has suffered ridicule also. Not as bad, but ridicule nonetheless. I think it may be because mothers are more at home with their kids being around lesbians than gays. Due to the maternal instinct of females.
It's an opinion. Not asking anyone to believe it.
-AC
for your first point: lucky, cause it's based on nothing
for your second point: that means those adults should grow up and show maturity.
But you can't blaim it on having two gay parents since a kid can get bullied for being overweight or not having the right clothes or having not that pool in the backyard like the rich kids have. To say that they will get bullied or kids won't come over is a poor arguement since it happens all the time for other reasons already
"AC, I'm just saying you just are writing your own opinion based on nothing, if that already gives the need to take a chill pill, real life must be hard for you "
Was hurling it at you for comedic effect.
"for your first point: lucky, cause it's based on nothing"
It's based on experience.
"for your second point: that means those adults should grow up and show maturity.
But you can't blaim it on having two gay parents since a kid can get bullied for being overweight or not having the right clothes or having not that pool in the backyard like the rich kids have. To say that they will get bullied or kids won't come over is a poor arguement since it happens all the time for other reasons already"
I was never blaming the gay parents. I was saying that as a result of them having a kid, raising it well or not, there are people who are POSSIBLY gonna make it tough for the kid as a result. Would you really want to put the kid through that just coz you want one?
-AC
AC -
One thing you need to remember is that just because you know someone of a certan situation it does not make it valid that all people or even a majority of people of that cituation are that way, or behaving in that way or having similar experiences.
Second - children get bullied. Children of gay parents gets bullied, but so do many other children who do not have gay parents. The fact that you know a kid of two gay parents thats being bullied, first doesnt prove that all other children of the gay parents are being bullied. It just simply doesnt.
The fact that the kid you know is getting bullied may or may not have anything to do with his parents being gay - maybe thats absolutely irrelevant to his/her bullying, but you are the one associating it with the homosexuality of the parents.
"One thing you need to remember is that just because you know someone of a certan situation it does not make it valid that all people or even a majority of people of that cituation are that way, or behaving in that way or having similar experiences. "
I was speaking from experience. You should know the one thing I'm against more than most things is generalisation of such broad subjects. I said it's not guaranteed but it can happen. I wish people wouldn't miss parts out of my posts.
"Second - children get bullied. Children of gay parents gets bullied, but so do many other children who do not have gay parents. The fact that you know a kid of two gay parents thats being bullied, first doesnt prove that all other children of the gay parents are being bullied. It just simply doesnt.
The fact that the kid you know is getting bullied may or may not have anything to do with his parents being gay - maybe thats absolutely irrelevant to his/her bullying, but you are the one associating it with the homosexuality of the parents."
Scenario 1: A kid gets bullied for what's considered to be regular reasons. When he grows up, who COULD.....COULD the kid blame for being bullied, if it wanted to? The bully.
Scenario 2: A kid gets bullied due to homosexual parents. It grows up and says (supposing this were to happen, it's all in theory, but it is possible. Just remember I'm not concreting it) "Why was I bullied?" and the parents say "Because we are gay and we wanted a kid."
What is worse? Is it not better for the kid to hate the bully rather than POSSIBLY his own parents?
This has all gone way off track and you are taking my words too literally.
I'm saying, in closing: Based on what COULD happen and develop in a kids childhood, the results of a BAD childhood due to gay parents are possibly worse than the results of a BAD childhood due to regular reasons. Psychologically.
-AC
AH *************! I replied to this and went for some food, didn't got through 😠
I'll keep it very short :
I'm gonna take back my comment, I didn't knew you used if for comedic effect
your experience doesn't mean that you have the experience everyone in the entire world has, it might just be that you had all the bad ones and get a biased idea about it now
your second point makes absolutely no sense at all! they MIGHT get bullied around cause of having gay parents, but kids ARE being bullied for being overweight, etc etc etc. So why go against something that is NOT proven to be right (that the kid WILL get bullied) while other things happen that make sure the kid is being bullied
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"AC, I'm just saying you just are writing your own opinion based on nothing, if that already gives the need to take a chill pill, real life must be hard for you "Was hurling it at you for comedic effect.
"for your first point: lucky, cause it's based on nothing"
It's based on experience.
"for your second point: that means those adults should grow up and show maturity.
But you can't blaim it on having two gay parents since a kid can get bullied for being overweight or not having the right clothes or having not that pool in the backyard like the rich kids have. To say that they will get bullied or kids won't come over is a poor arguement since it happens all the time for other reasons already"I was never blaming the gay parents. I was saying that as a result of them having a kid, raising it well or not, there are people who are POSSIBLY gonna make it tough for the kid as a result. Would you really want to put the kid through that just coz you want one?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI was speaking from experience. You should know the one thing I'm against more than most things is generalisation of such broad subjects. I said it's not guaranteed but it can happen. I wish people wouldn't miss parts out of my posts.
I read your posts well. In fact i read most of them, and if you re-read what you wrote you could then possibly understand what you're talking about.
Also, if ''its not guaranteed'' as you are claiming everywhere, then why forbid gay parents adopting children?
Its not guaranteed that a person in a car is not going to kill a kid on the street, but you still give him a lisence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Scenario 1: A kid gets bullied for what's considered to be regular reasons. When he grows up, who COULD.....COULD the kid blame for being bullied, if it wanted to? The bully.Scenario 2: A kid gets bullied due to homosexual parents. It grows up and says (supposing this were to happen, it's all in theory, but it is possible. Just remember I'm not concreting it) "Why was I bullied?" and the parents say "Because we are gay and we wanted a kid."
What is worse? Is it not better for the kid to hate the bully rather than POSSIBLY his own parents?
Im not even gonna dignify that with an explanation or a response.
As for all your ''COULD's'' refer to my driving example.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm saying, in closing: Based on what COULD happen and develop in a kids childhood, the results of a BAD childhood due to gay parents are possibly worse than the results of a BAD childhood due to regular reasons. Psychologically.-AC
Please explain to me any evidence of that mindless blabbing right there? Any...anything. Any research done in the past 5, 10 20, 50 years that backs up this?
Because it sounds like an utter bullshit.
Maybe you think, but i can guarantee that a child is NOT going to grow up haiting the parents who love him and have brought him up, straight or not!
lil, thats a pretty bold statement there. How can you guarantee a child is not going to grow up hating their parents? Especially adopted parents? Whether the parents are gay or straight, how can you guarantee they won't hate their parents? There are occasions in which children are raised so spoiled that they hate their parents for real silly things.
You're right, i cant guarantee. Child can hate parents for many reasons - naturaly and psychologially (Freudan) speaking, no child hates the parents - especially the mother - but ok, irrelevant.
The key words being ''gay or straight''. Very small number would grow up hating parents because of their sexualty - simply because the primary socialisation would happen in such enviroment.