Well, this wasn't made to point out Halo 3's weak points or bad side. The "Halo 3 didn't introduce anything new to gaming, Halo isn't innovative" crap needs to end. I'm pretty sure no Halo fan wants to put up with anyone saying this, and this thread was intended for Halo fans and people looking forward to Halo 3, not people wanting to point out why it isn't great and so forth.
So instead, how about we talk of what we like of the game and give actual good news regarding the game?
Just on the note about motion sensing - it's existed since the NES, if I can remember correctly...
And personally my issue with the "Halo's the best thing since sliced bread" group is the fact that they make claims that it's the best and most innovative game to exist, when it really did nothing new. FPSs existed before it did. Online multiplayer existed before it did. If you like something, fine, but be prepared to not have everyone share that opinion.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Yes, I clearly haven't played both considering I said that I've been wanting to play Bioshock. haermmI know what innovation means, thanks. The Bass Fishing motion sensing rod is one motion sensing controller I know of for the PS1. It's pretty much exactly the same as the wiimote being used as a fishing rod in LoZ: TP. The wiimote is just wireless in that sense. Wireless technology is nothing new, as you should know.
Alright, you made your point. Halo isn't innovative, boohoo. No one gives much of a damn, at least not in this thread.
No need to be bitter because you don't have a counter.
It's innovative even in spite of the rod, it does things never seen before and is ahead of the times. It does so much more than the rod.
Originally posted by Shin_Blax
Being new doesn't mean innovative Being effective is innovative. Can you use the fishing rod in EVERY PS1 game like the Wii mote is being used for every Wii game? Could you use the fishing rod as a fishing rod, sword, net, gun, and anything else yo can think of, like the Wii can?
Being effective isn't innovation, because something could come along that brings NOTHING new at ALL to the table and still be effective. Innovation is being ahead of the times and/or doing something never seen before, or in ways never seen before, fact. Dictionary definition.
But you're right, essentially.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Well, this wasn't made to point out Halo 3's weak points or bad side. The "Halo 3 didn't introduce anything new to gaming, Halo isn't innovative" crap needs to end. I'm pretty sure no Halo fan wants to put up with anyone saying this, and this thread was intended for Halo fans and people looking forward to Halo 3, not people wanting to point out why it isn't great and so forth.
The truth hurts, but it's still the truth.
Fans of better, more innovative games don't want to keep hearing how Halo is one of the greatest games ever, doing all kinds of new shit, but we're forced to. Deal with it.
If your issue is that you don't like what you hear, then tough crap. "Good Point."? Pfft, worst point in this thread.
"Let's just talk about everything good about the game, even stuff that isn't actually happening, like it being innovative, but not allow any opposing opinions.".
-AC
Why would I bother giving a counter? I'm not here to listen to how you're discontent of the fact Halo fans are saying Halo's so great. You wouldn't have to hear anyone saying Halo's one of the greatest games ever had you not barged your ass in this thread.
Ok, now can we stop saying that it isn't innovative, lame etc. and talk about why it's GOOD? I'm sure that was the purpose of this thread. srsly
Halo 3 is good (judging by the beta) because:
1. It has next-gen graphics.
2. Addictive gameplay and at least one new weapon.
3. Great multiplayer.
4. New and Huge maps.
5. Better AI (I've watched an interview explaining how the Brutes A.I. in H3 was greater)
6. Better physics I think.
You tried countering the argument, I proved you wrong and now you're saying you don't care.
Originally posted by shin_gear
Ok, now can we stop saying that it isn't innovative, lame etc. and talk about why it's GOOD? I'm sure that was the purpose of this thread. srslyHalo 3 is good (judging by the beta) because:
1. It has next-gen graphics.
2. Addictive gameplay and at least one new weapon.
3. Great multiplayer.
4. New and Huge maps.
5. Better AI (I've watched an interview explaining how the Brutes A.I. in H3 was greater)
6. Better physics I think.
Just read that back.
Might as well say "It's good because it's a sequel.". I swear everybody said those same things about Halo 2.
"At least one new gun.".
It's like the Malibu Stacy hat syndrome.
Wake up.
-AC
Ok I'm way too tired and lazy to quote everyone but I'll say this much....
Lana, I already admitted that Halo was NOT innovative just that it perfected the formula for FPS. As for how they did it, they had a great story, characters, voice acting, music (Martin O'Donnel is incredible) graphics and gameplay. AC, the story actually is different than the old "Aliens invade earth" because you completely failed to point out the genetically enhanced supersoldiers, the actual Halo rings, the forerunner and most importantly the flood. So no, its actually far from your typical story. Gameplay wise, Halo had new weapons (plasma stuns you, needlers explode) cool vehicles (banshee, ghost) and huge open levels... not just the same go down this path then up these stairs. In Halo levels such as 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 come to mind in terms of how open and huge they are... and most first person shooters don't have that. As for whoever said that Halo doesn't beat gears in graphics... I would highly suggest that you watch this movie and then come back and try and post that again. http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/vids_1.html
Oh and by the way AC, how exactly would you like to change Halo 3 to make it innovative. ANY fan base would go insane if the developers completely changed their games while trying to make it innovative. Halo 3 doesn't have to be changed because its one of the best first person shooters ever made. Instead their improving it by adding more weapons, vehicles, and music to make it an even better gaming experience.
Anyway sorry but it really pisses me off when people come into a thread named HALO 3 and start bitching about it.
Oh and I probably sounded really pissed off because I just bought bioshock but my dad knocked over my 360 and now I have to send it in to microsoft and it won't be back in time for Halo 3 (even though I already preordered it for pickup at 12:00am )
Originally posted by Spartan005I salute you. 🙂
Ok I'm way too tired and lazy to quote everyone but I'll say this much....Lana, I already admitted that Halo was NOT innovative just that it perfected the formula for FPS. As for how they did it, they had a great story, characters, voice acting, music (Martin O'Donnel is incredible) graphics and gameplay. AC, the story actually is different than the old "Aliens invade earth" because you completely failed to point out the genetically enhanced supersoldiers, the actual Halo rings, the forerunner and most importantly the flood. So no, its actually far from your typical story. Gameplay wise, Halo had new weapons (plasma stuns you, needlers explode) cool vehicles (banshee, ghost) and huge open levels... not just the same go down this path then up these stairs. In Halo levels such as 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 come to mind in terms of how open and huge they are... and most first person shooters don't have that. As for whoever said that Halo doesn't beat gears in graphics... I would highly suggest that you watch this movie and then come back and try and post that again. http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/vids_1.html
Oh and by the way AC, how exactly would you like to change Halo 3 to make it innovative. ANY fan base would go insane if the developers completely changed their games while trying to make it innovative. Halo 3 doesn't have to be changed because its one of the best first person shooters ever made. Instead their improving it by adding more weapons, vehicles, and music to make it an even better gaming experience.Anyway sorry but it really pisses me off when people come into a thread named HALO 3 and start bitching about it.
Originally posted by Spartan005
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/vids_1.html
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Gears looks more pretty'ful.
Originally posted by Spartan005
As for how they did it, they had a great story, characters, voice acting, music (Martin O'Donnel is incredible) graphics and gameplay.
So you say they perfected FPS by just naming stuff without saying why? Characters, voice acting, music and story do nothing to perfect the FPS as a game and as a dynamic. Halo isn't a good FPS because of the sounds, stop being a blind fanboy.
The GAMEPLAY, focus on the GAMEPLAY. The GAMEPLAY is nothing special, standard FPS stuff.
Originally posted by Spartan005
AC, the story actually is different than the old "Aliens invade earth" because you completely failed to point out the genetically enhanced supersoldiers, the actual Halo rings, the forerunner and most importantly the flood.
I didn't fail to point them out, but what difference do they make? It still amounts to a big war against alien invaders, does it not? Yes. You over-complicating it doesn't actually make it any more than it is.
Originally posted by Spartan005
So no, its actually far from your typical story. Gameplay wise, Halo had new weapons (plasma stuns you, needlers explode) cool vehicles (banshee, ghost) and huge open levels... not just the same go down this path then up these stairs.
I love how nobody can tell me why the gameplay is new or great. New weapons doesn't make good gameplay, ANY FPS has new weapons here or there. It's not a vast addition to gameplay unless it CHANGES the gameplay. Weapons that stun? Weapons that explode? Is that seriously all you have? Such a desperate argument to defend your precious, basic game.
"Cool vehicles"? They don't change the game, they're just a means to an end. You can't complete the level any different by driving a warthog, it just saves you walking, because if you had to walk everywhere the huge levels would bore the shit out of people. All it takes is a little realisation to recognise this.
Originally posted by Spartan005
In Halo levels such as 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 come to mind in terms of how open and huge they are... and most first person shooters don't have that. As for whoever said that Halo doesn't beat gears in graphics... I would highly suggest that you watch this movie and then come back and try and post that again. http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/vids_1.html
Stop saying "OH MAN! IT HAS BIG LEVELS!", that means nothing. It doesn't change a thing about the gameplay. Every single Halo fanboy gets so depressed and so upset that they start clutching at ANYTHING, it's so ridiculous.
Gears' graphics are much better, but I don't expect a guy names Spartan005 to agree, just be ignorant.
Originally posted by Spartan005
Oh and by the way AC, how exactly would you like to change Halo 3 to make it innovative. ANY fan base would go insane if the developers completely changed their games while trying to make it innovative. Halo 3 doesn't have to be changed because its one of the best first person shooters ever made. Instead their improving it by adding more weapons, vehicles, and music to make it an even better gaming experience.
That's why Halo will never be anything more than a generic FPS and that's why it will always have lots of fans, because it's so easy to play and so easy to get good at. People don't want it changed cos they can't adapt.
Improving it by adding more guns and cars and music? If that's what it takes to improve a game, to you, then it's no wonder the games companies are getting away with putting out generic crap.
Lots of people love Halo cos they're good at it, they praise it for things it hasn't done and when confronted to provide an argument as to why the GAMEPLAY is good, you say "Weapons, music, voices.". It's desperate, you fail.
Originally posted by Spartan005
Anyway sorry but it really pisses me off when people come into a thread named HALO 3 and start bitching about it.
It pisses me off when people start masturbating over Master Chief and this overrated series, but it happens, we have to deal.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI love how nobody can tell me why the gameplay is new or great. New weapons doesn't make good gameplay, ANY FPS has new weapons here or there. It's not a vast addition to gameplay unless it CHANGES the gameplay. Weapons that stun? Weapons that explode? Is that seriously all you have? Such a desperate argument to defend your precious, basic game.
"Cool vehicles"? They don't change the game, they're just a means to an end. You can't complete the level any different by driving a warthog, it just saves you walking, because if you had to walk everywhere the huge levels would bore the shit out of people. All it takes is a little realisation to recognise th
That's why Halo will never be anything more than a generic FPS and that's why it will always have lots of fans, because it's so easy to play and so easy to get good at. People don't want it changed cos they can't adapt.
You talk about making changes to the game, like what exactly? How can they improve a First Person Shooter even more when they've changed the weapons, Vehicles and levels etc. That's pretty much what Halo is. It's not their fault people are addicted to it like moths to a flame.
Also, why would Halo change its story, the whole thing's about a war between two races.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Well I believe we really can't say Gears has better graphics then Halo 3 until the game actually comes out because the computer tends to make any game have graphics that don't really seem impressive. Heck I remember seeing screenshots for Gears that look like they belong on the PS2.
Unless the graphics are much better than the beta version, Gears' graphics are much better.
Originally posted by H.S.6
How?
Have you actually played either? As I said previously:
"Bioshock doesn't just rely on guns, the odd car or bike, or a shield that do nothing for the ACTUAL gameplay. It has active power ups that alter your dna and give you powers that aren't only used for combat, but hacking, healing, intelligence, endurance etc. You drink too much wine (Health), you get drunk and can't function properly for a while. These things have either never been in any game, or they're not in any game being used in this way.
Halo 3? New gun, new shield, bike, maps. So what? That's not bringing anything new to the gaming world, it's just another installment, just another FPS.".
In addition, the choices you make not only alter the ending, but your ability to play through it. You gain things by making certain choices that you don't get by making others etc.
Halo? You just play through it. There's nothing like that.
As for Gears, name me another game like it, right now or in recent memory with such dynamic, involving gameplay, and RELEVANT online co-operative modes.
Originally posted by HonkyTonkMan
You talk about making changes to the game, like what exactly? How can they improve a First Person Shooter even more when they've changed the weapons, Vehicles and levels etc. That's pretty much what Halo is. It's not their fault people are addicted to it like moths to a flame.
Also, why would Halo change its story, the whole thing's about a war between two races.
I didn't say I was suggesting things that could make Halo better, I was just proving that it doesn't bring anything new to the table.
You and others reply with "Well what can you do that's new?", as if it has to be accepted that you cannot go beyond Halo, then came Bioshock. I'm not suggesting new things, just saying that Halo doesn't bring any of them.
-AC