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Originally posted by Newjak
Well we have gotten most of that out of the way. Although you are back tracking from what you have said earlier remember how Halo 3 is overrated and fanboys constantly deny it and have let Bungie control their lives.
You say it as if I'm the only one who finds the level to which Halo fanboys are buried in denial to be shocking.
Second, that was a slight exaggeration, though as time passes I'm starting to believe that if they released Halo themed underwear that some of the fans would buy it. A jocular claim, but one that nobody can afford to really deny.
Originally posted by Newjak
That means that you said the game was abd anybody who thought it was good was just being deluded.
How does it mean that? I said it's overrated and a lot of fanboys...overrate it. That's what I said, that's what I mean. I think it's a POOR, MEDIOCRE game, not horrible, not BAD. Overrating it would therefore be "OMG BEST GAME EVER!", "BEST FPS THERE IS!", *A lot of the comments in this thread*. So no, me saying I find it to be overrated and that fanboys overrate it doesn't mean anything like what you said.
Originally posted by Newjak
But back on track realistically. GOW hasn't added anything Splinter Cell and Metal Gear solid hasn't.
Of course it has, the combat systems in all those games are entirely different. If you were debating Splinter Cell Vs MGS then you'd have a point.
Originally posted by Newjak
Biosock hasn't added anything to FPS then Morrowind did. Seriously the innovations you speak about are simply not there. As for the fact of what you can do in the game well let's just say is opinion as well.
No, what you can do in the game isn't opinion is it? It's there, it's fact. Innovative isn't just "new"; it's also ahead of the times, as Bioshock is, as Gears was/is. Original and innovative are not inherent.
Originally posted by Newjak
Because there is a lot you can do Halo if you want to get nitpicky about it.
Like what? Drive cars? Red Faction, and the vehicles there were much more involved in the game, they help alter the terrain and caused ways to complete the level differently.
Originally posted by Newjak
Also I don't you are quite getting what Graphics are. They are not just texture. They are lighting player environment interaction. All those things constitute graphics. And it is opinion which one is better graphically decided upon taste.
You cannot decide what is TECHNICALLY better based on taste, do you not understand that? You wouldn't say Avril Lavigne is a better technical guitarist than Slash because you liked Sk8er Boi would you? Cos that would be wrong. Halo's graphics are not as good, technically, as Bioshock or Gears. You prefer them, you think they LOOK better, that's up to you. They are not technically better, though.
Originally posted by Newjak
I enjoy the much better lighting and flow of Halo 3 to the rough Details of GOW. This isn't like compairng a Sportscar to a normal car.
It's as I said, if you prefered Avril Lavigne's music to Guns 'N' Roses, that's opinion if you think it's better by TASTE, because taste is opinion. You do not get to decide which is technically better, that is already a factual parameter.
Originally posted by Newjak
It is like comparing to different Sportscars that are close but prefer different things. For instance one has better handling the other better speed. It is up to the taste of the person deciding which one they like better.
Oh my, you are actually simple.
YES, it's up to the person to decide what car OVERALL suits them best, not what car is faster. If one car is faster, you cannot say it isn't just because you like the other car better. It's simply not true.
Originally posted by Newjak
There is nothing but opinions in this thread and you trying to shout anything as fact is absurd. Halo and GOW just prefer different things. You just happen to like the gameplay of one better than the other therefore you are trying to state why it is better.
It's not, there are clear facts and you are ignoring them because you seriously do not understand a word I am saying, no matter how clear or concise I spell it out for you.
I am NOT saying one is FACTUALLY better because I prefer it. Halo being better than one game is your opinion as Bioshock being better is my opinion, BUT (Pay attention, please) it is NOT opinion as to which TECHNICAL parts of those games are superior to one another. Do...you...understand? One car is faster than another car, but you like the other car. It doesn't mean it's the fastest just because you like it.
Please read that fully before you reply.
Originally posted by Newjak
But your problem is and you continue to do it. Is you keep trying to talk like Innovation and Graphics are absolute. They are not.
They are factually superior in Bioshock and Gears, that doesn't mean you have to like them more, that's my point.
I continue to "do it" because you keep saying things I'm either not saying, or getting my points wrong.
Originally posted by Newjak
Halo 3 in my opinion offers some great innovations and gameplay different than Halo 2.
THAT isn't opinion. It's either innovative and different or it is not. Halo 3 is not innovative, there are two preceding games that are pretty much identical save for the odd gun, mode and vehicle. Fairly recent games too. That isn't innovation, that's stagnation.
Originally posted by Newjak
I hope you are finally understanding this because saying certain games are better graphically and even have more innovation doesn't make it so.😬
No, them being better graphically and having more innovation is what makes it so.
-AC