Originally posted by Newjak
I find it funny that you are saying I'm making excuses for the game. I said I enjoyed it and if all people have against it is that it is Halo 2.5 then that isn't a very big problem.
You said you can live with it being Halo 2.5, I think that's just a shocking piece of proof of how far inside people Bungie have put themselves. The game has had $50 million dollars worth of hype, people have ditched college, work and whatever else to play it and they essentially get Halo 2 with better graphics, guns and still complaints that plagued the first two games.
To me, that's unacceptable, but then that's just a standard I have.
Originally posted by Newjak
What excuse. It is exactly what everyone knew was coming out. An upgraded Halo 2 just like Halo 2 was an upgraded Halo 1. I find no reason for there to be an excuse. I enjoyed the game and it is better than Halo 2.
The excuse that vehicles are enough of an advancement to justify the hype around this game. It just doesn't work, it's not a matter of being pro-Halo or anti-Halo, or even neutral. I think anybody who isn't so corrupted by Bungie would admit they haven't done enough. Even people who ultimately like the game are saying that.
Originally posted by Newjak
They plastered it all over everything to market the game. Oddly enough the same reason any company does it. To build hype. And I hate to tell you this but all good games receive marketing. Gear of War was marketed. Nothing will be bought if it isn't marketed. In fact the 360 heavily marketed GOW because it was basically a launch title.
Maybe I didn't see the Gears of War Mountain Dew, lunch boxes, figures etc. Oh...there either were none or there wasn't enough for me to have noticed.
Halo 3 was marketed more because it didn't have enough backing it up. People think that because it's being pushed as "more than a game", that it's somehow some transcendental experience, it's not. It's a generic FPS shooter, not that much different to the one before it, which wasn't much different to the one before that.
Originally posted by Newjak
And people who confuse better graphic only look at textures. Halo 3 has better lighting and I find tighter running than GOW. GOW had by far the better textures but that solely doesn't make Graphics. I think personally Halo 3 looks better overall. Meaning I think it has better Graphics overall.
That's what I said, though. You can say "That car looks more sleek than the other one.", but if one is factually more aerodynamic than another, you cannot refute it. Gears actually has better graphics, outside of preference.
Originally posted by Newjak
Why does it not deserve the hype it is getting. Obviously if it is getting praise then it is doing something right.
How do you draw that conclusion? It's the typical Emperor's new clothes syndrome. Everyone is either so blinded by marketing or they feel like if they don't tag along, they'll look silly.
It doesn't deserve the hype it's getting because it's just as you said, Halo 2.5, nothing revolutionary, nothing much different. It's still just a generic FPS. People praise it cos they feel they have to, mostly. People have been hyping it since before there was footage, before there was a beta, so ultimately they'll never admit disappointment.
Originally posted by Newjak
And exactly what is wrong with the Quality of the game. I find people are arguing the quality based off of the fact it just better than Halo 2. People tend to forget that Halo 2 is still better than many of the 360 games out.
In your opinion. I would put Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and the like over any of the Halo series in terms of enjoyment.
It's been three games, over 6 years of existence in the series and all they've managed for the third and final game, on a NEXT generation console to the others...is Halo 2.5? That's what's wrong.
Originally posted by Newjak
Halo 3 is still a great game that runs well and plays tight. People who loved Halo 2 will love this game. Why because it is better than Halo 2 which oddly enough is better than many other names. I fail to see the problem.
The fact that it's being considered nothing more than Halo 2.5? They should be doing much, much more than this with the time and money they have, there's no excuse.
Of course people who loved one and two will love it. It's like Coldplay, they're not pushing boundaries, same album every time, different album cover. They know they have loads of rabid fans by the throat and can rob them of their cash just by putting in a new gun and car, the odd new mode. They're not half as bad as the people who lap it up, though.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ok this makes no sense. this isn't like in comics where people can over power a character. People either like a game or they don't. They can not make a game better than what it is. Why because either they love it or they don't. And that reflection has no bearing on whether you like it or not.
It makes total sense.
If an album is coming out that I assume I'll like cos I have previous work to go by, that's as far as I go. If I finally get it and don't like it, I'll say so. I don't go around leading up to its release saying "I LOVE IT! IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE AMAZING!", as Halo fans did. They went too far to look back before the game was even out. Halo 3 NEEDED the fan hysteria, it NEEDED the marketing. It has very little else.
Originally posted by Newjak
there is no convincing yourself of anything.
Yes there is, you're being ignorant.
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is your truths are all opinion. You claim the game is sub par based on the fact it is Halo 2.5. Fine the only problem is that Halo 2 is a very great game. So people that loved Halo 2 will also love this game for the same reasons.
My truths? A) It's not an innovative series, that much has been proven and agreed with. B) It's not a dynamic game, when compared to the likes of Gears, when you compare the way you fight. My opinion of whether or not I like it, whether or not it's bad or good? Yes, that's opinion.
People cannot handle even opposing opinions, much less reasonable truth based arguments as to why their favourite game is overrated.
Originally posted by Newjak
I mean seriously your sitting here saying it is a terrible game and having to bring up the fact ti plays similar to the game it is based on.
Where have I said it's a terrible game? I swear I've actually said the opposite. It's horribly MEDIOCRE, not horribly shit. Mediocrity is worse when you have what Bungie have at their disposal.
Originally posted by Newjak
Seriously what would you have the Developers change so greatly without alienating the gameplay that hooked so many people?
Why do none of you understand the point? THAT IS THE POINT. It's easy, so all they've done is put out essentially the same game three times with a few small changes and ridiculous hype and budget. At least admit that. That IS what's bad.
Originally posted by Newjak
It's simple Halo 3 is going to be a great game because of the things that made Halo 2 a great game. If you have aproblem with that fine have a problem with it because frankly I don't 😕
If you're that easily impressed and you refuse to want more from your games, then up to you. I think if you can make games as advanced as Bioshock, Gears of War, Alan Wake etc, then you should do so.
Originally posted by Newjak
But don't go around saying Halo 3 isn't a good game because in all aspects it in terms of quality is still far better than a good deal number of games.
I'll go around saying what I want. I think it's poor, not terrible, poor.
I prefer Goldeneye to Halo, any of them. I enjoy it far more.
Originally posted by Newjak
And please don't come back with the same drivel. It isn't a good game because it is Halo 2.5. actually list the reasons why it isn't a good game. That the graphics suck, the sound is bad, the controls are terrible.
The graphics don't suck, they're not amazing though. The sound IS pretty bad from what I've played, the controls are the same. Unthreatening, simple, not trying anything new, taking the easy way out. Boring plot, annoying aesthetics.
All opinion of course, but that's my take.
Originally posted by Newjak
You know all the actual reason why a game does actually suck. Of course if you are having to compare to games like GOW to try and prove it sucks well then I find your argument for Halo 3 being terrible rather lacking. 😬
Notice how since the game has actually come out far more people have issues with it than loving it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Also before you try and say I just contradicted myself realize what I was saying. Seriously if the only game you can bring up to make it look bad is GOW then obviously it isn't that bad if that is the worst game you can compare it to.
You did contradict yourself, badly.
Gears of War, Bioshock, these games that it constantly gets lumped in with do not deserve to be lumped in with it.
-AC