Originally posted by ImperialPEZ
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If being able to play a guitar makes one an expert musician, then we've got Juliard candidates in Junior High's all over the country.Ask your friend if he saw HP and the POA. My wife and I weren't sure if it was Williams, but it was, and it was brilliant.
HP POA was brilliant. Almost totally differ from the previous 2 Hp. Cauron seemed to have a hand in what type of new sounds he wanted to use compared to the first 2.
Did anyone notice that there was an electric guitar being played during the chase on Coruscant in the AOTC soundtrack, But why change his style of music???!!! i completley agree with JJ1138, rock or anything else for that matter would destroy GL's original vision. JAWS is reconised by millions. ET is reconised by millions. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, AI, Shindlers List, i could go on for ever! the man is a legend in his line of work. Why change something that has been heard and loved from so many people?
Star Wars does not exist without John Williams. The plot, characters & efects are great but only truly come together to form a masterpeice once JW score is put in.
That said, I do think the guy is getting lazy. If you really listen to the HP score, it has SW overtones all the way thru. The main theme as they arrive at Hogwarts in 1&2 sounds almost identical to the imperial theme, and the strings in the quidditch match in COS when Harry & Draco are under the bleachers sounds exactly like the Zam chase scene.
But that is my being cricial of HP ... NOT SW. Star Wars would not anywhere near as memorable without Williams and I cant wait to hear what variation of the Duel of the Fates he comes up with for ROTS.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I think that if your guitar playing friend, who is a music expert, thinks that he can do a better or more original job, then he should get together with his little garage band friends, and try to come up with a score for any SW movie, submit it to LFL, and see what they, along with the countless number of fans, think about it.And not to get personal, but i really want to know....do you have dyslexia? cause in every sentence you write, you have backwards words. And before i make fun of you, I'd like to know if you have a condition or if you just really don't know english that well.
Proof that people really don't understand sarcasm.
I have crappy typing skills.
You know that the influx of newbie threads are getting to the rest of us when we actually take the opening statement of this thread serisouly.. 😆 I have to admit I was all ready for a massive rant on the subject 😂
Now I've been a musician for over 20 years and taught quite a few people in my time to play and know theory etc. It doesn't mean that I am qualified to call John Williams a hack! I defy any composer when up against a deadline to produce the quality of work JW does. The man knows his shit! Now imagine what he could have done if he could've taken his time with the score. (ie if lucas was willing to put it on the shelf till williams was finished). Yeah it would never happen, But the quality of the score would be better still. Mainly because 'deadlines' and pressure are not condusive to the creative thought process.
People... we really need to calm down the 'brain dead' threads of late 😄
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Wow, being an expert guitar player(execpt maybe a few) doesnt mean you can call Williams a hack. I have been a professional concert cellist for years and I can tell you otherwise. When you analyse his music, it does hark back to composers such as Stravinsky, Holst, and Mahler, but is has its own "williams style feeling."
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1. His music sounds the same
answer: ever heard of chopin or beethoven. any serious musician can can tell you that all thier works sound similar. What about bach, or handel??? Surely because there works sound similar doesnt mean they are hacks too.
Williams has his own style, but seriously, could you or your friend compose such intricate works such as Williams, on a constant basis?
Originally posted by TheElectricFoxThis is all valid and I agree with it. I wasn't taking a strike at Williams. People would do well to read my second post. I don't have a friend. The friend part was a blatant joke. His opinion clearly would not matter in a real-life situation.
Wow, being an expert guitar player(execpt maybe a few) doesnt mean you can call Williams a hack. I have been a professional concert cellist for years and I can tell you otherwise. When you analyse his music, it does hark back to composers such as Stravinsky, Holst, and Mahler, but is has its own "williams style feeling."statement
1. His music sounds the sameanswer: ever heard of chopin or beethoven. any serious musician can can tell you that all thier works sound similar. What about bach, or handel??? Surely because there works sound similar doesnt mean they are hacks too.
Williams has his own style, but seriously, could you or your friend compose such intricate works such as Williams, on a constant basis?
Originally posted by tpaquin
Proof that people really don't understand sarcasm.I have crappy typing skills.
OK, was your "friend" being sarcastic? No. Was i dissing you? No. I was saying if he thinks he's an expert, then him and his friends should try to do better. I do very much understand sarcasm, in fact i live by it. But nothing you said in regards to your "friend" came across sarcastic.
So how do i not understand sarcasm? I understood exactly what you and your "friend" were saying, and i responded accordingly.
Now, If anyone other that JW did the SW score, yes we may have liked it, but i think we all agree that altering anything that JW has done would be more than detrimental to the musical legacy he set before us. Had we never heard what he composed, then of course something beneath that standard that he set, may have been acceptable. Also, being that i am VERY much into music and writing lyrics, i know how hard it is to come up with completely original material every time you try write. Thats evident when you listen to artist's 3rd and 4th albums......shit gets hard to come up with. And besides laziness, some people may just have a style that they lean towards when they create something, which is why certain scores sound alike. I am very satisfied with what we have heard, and look forward to whats in store for ROTS.
and btw...no diss about the typing thing...but there is a spellcheck on here.
Originally posted by Darth SubjektThe sarcasm was in the fact that I have no friend(not in a pathetic way, mind you) and I was emulating the opinion of stupid people that I know. I thought that it would be far more clear, but obviously I have failed as a writer. I can see the confusion, now. Sorry bout that.
OK, was your "friend" being sarcastic? No. Was i dissing you? No. I was saying if he thinks he's an expert, then him and his friends should try to do better. I do very much understand sarcasm, in fact i live by it. But nothing you said in regards to your "friend" came across sarcastic.
ok...its cool. But youre right...that wasnt clear at all, at least to me. But you have to agree that with the title of your thread and the post you wrote, irregardless of your 3rd post....it sounds like youre bashng JW. But since you cleared it up....we're all good....but can we please get this thread closed?