This question Irks me. How is Jesus God?

Originally posted by fini
YOu still didn't explain it.

From a hindu stand point Jesus was the second most recent incarnation of god here upon earth ( buddha being the most recent). WIth that logic Jesus is essentially God.

But from the christian stand point, they are adamant on saying that Jesus is the son of god, NOT god. Sooo why one earth do they keep going on bout worshipping Jesus....... yeah they should, but dont put alllllll the emphasis on just worshipping Jesus.

Jesus is God. There I said it.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word[Jesus Christ pre-existed time itself], and the Word was with God [Jesus Christ was with the Father God before time existed], and the Word was God[Jesus Christ is God, God the Son].

But Gautama Buddha on the other hand was just a man. Gautama Buddha was a spiritual teacher in the ancient Indian subcontinent and the historical founder of Buddhism. He is universally recognised by Buddhists as the Supreme Buddha of our age.The time of his birth and death are unclear, most modern books still date his lifetime between 563 BCE and 483 BCE, but more recent research points to a date about a century later than this. By tradition, he was born with the name Siddhârtha Gautama.

Oh, and Buddha was a sinner.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus is God. There I said it.

[B]John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word[Jesus Christ pre-existed time itself], and the Word was with God [Jesus Christ was with the Father God before time existed], and the Word was God[Jesus Christ is God, God the Son].

But Gautama Buddha on the other hand was just a man. Gautama Buddha was a spiritual teacher in the ancient Indian subcontinent and the historical founder of Buddhism. He is universally recognised by Buddhists as the Supreme Buddha of our age.The time of his birth and death are unclear, most modern books still date his lifetime between 563 BCE and 483 BCE, but more recent research points to a date about a century later than this. By tradition, he was born with the name Siddhârtha Gautama [/B]

How can God be his own son ? 🙄

So who is God's mother? Who is God's father ?

Who's his cousin ?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus is God. There I said it.

[B]John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word[Jesus Christ pre-existed time itself], and the Word was with God [Jesus Christ was with the Father God before time existed], and the Word was God[Jesus Christ is God, God the Son]. [/B]

Who was Jesus appealing to on the cross... himself? If God is eternal how could he have died? Even if it was for only three days.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Who was Jesus appealing to on the cross... himself? If God is eternal how could he have died? Even if it was for only three days.

I will answer this question with a previous post.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did you fail to read this post too Regret? It is found in this thread:

How To Get To Heaven When You Die
Started by: scott_lefler

Show me where I said that Jesus is the Father. I said that Jesus and the Father are one. I furnished Scriptures that allude to Jesus and the Father's oneness but not their lack of individuality. Go back and read the posts entitled, "Jesus is God not a god" Part 1, 2, and 3. I have endeavored to show that Jesus is not a god. I surmise that what is throwing you off is the fact that I state that Jesus is God. I don't mean that Jesus is God the Father. Again go back and re-read my posts. The word "God" at times is used to refer to just the Father. Sometimes the term refers to the Son or the Holy Spirit individually. But the word "God" is singular (depending on the context) and can mean Father, Son or Holy Spirit. Look at the context to know Who or which One that it refers to. For example in the Book of Acts chapter 5 verse 3 Peters tells Ananias that he has lied to the Holy Spirit then in the very next verse Peter says that he (Ananias) has not lied to men but to God. Can you see what I mean now? The word "God" is singular and can refer to either Father, Son, or Holy Spirit because each One is God but they are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit respectively. Furthermore, I believe that whenever I say that Jesus is God and not a god here is what you hear: "Jesus is the Father God." But that is not what I am teaching. I am teaching that Jesus is God (i.e., in and among the Three Who constitute the Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Jesus confessed to being the Christ, the Son of the Blessed. The high priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes knew what Jesus meant: that He and God--the Father--are equal. This is what drove the high priest into a rage. How dare Jesus affirm equality with God--they thought Jesus was just an ordinary Joe, Who managed to amass a following. But there Jesus stood before them declaring equality with God. That was the last straw. Jesus was condemned to die. He had to die for what He said because to them Jesus was speaking pure, unmitigated blasphemy. Folks, either Jesus is a liar, lunatic, or...He is Who He said that He is: the Son of God Who is equal with God--the Father. I think everytime that I say God I need to either say God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit. Because almost by default the term "God" refers to the Father. I think that is what tripped you up Regret. Lastly, I have already presented ample Scriptures where Jesus is called God. I just gave you one where the Holy Spirit is called God. Those Scriptures support my affirmation that Jesus is God--God the Son.

Now, there are designations (appelations, names, titles), if you would throughout the Bible that give the impression that Jesus is the Father such as in Isaiah 9:6-7 where Jesus is called "everlasting Father." But don't let my use of these verses discommode you. Read my lips (well in this case my words): Jesus is not the Father but Jesus is God. Did you get that? God doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father it just means that He too is among the Godhead.

Whew! I hope this justifies me and explains my position which I base on the Word of God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will answer this question with a previous post.

Originally posted by Regret
Thus the Trinitarian deification of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).

Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.

This is not traditional Trinitarian Doctrine, unless of course you are mistaking the term singular and distinct.

Originally posted by Regret
So, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are entirely separate and distinct entities in your view? Not one distinct being? In the same manner that you and I are separate and distinct, yet men all the same?

This is not traditional Trinitarian Doctrine, unless of course you are mistaking the term singular and distinct.

Matthew 3:13-17
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

There you have it: the Father in Heaven, the Spirit of God (or the Holy Spirit) alighting upon Jesus, and Jesus Christ coming up out of the water after being baptized by John the Baptist. These Three are one God but manifested in three distinct entities.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Matthew 3:13-17
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

There you have it: the Father in Heaven, the Spirit of God (or the Holy Spirit) alighting upon Jesus, and Jesus Christ coming up out of the water after being baptized by John the Baptist. These Three are one God but manifested in three distinct entities. [/B]

Sounds like multiple man. One person, one mind, lots of bodies.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Sounds like multiple man. One person, one mind, lots of bodies.

Originally posted by Regret
That is the traditional belief in Trinitarian Doctrine, it seems that JIA does not believe in this.

I don't think he actually knows what he believes.

Trinity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Within Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single Being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a perichoresis of three persons (personae, prosopa): Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit (the Paraclete or advocate). Since the 4th Century, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "One God in Three Persons," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal "persons" or "hypostases," share a single Divine essence, being, or nature. Supporting the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism, and is opposed to the positions of Binitarianism (two deities/persons/aspects), and Unitarianism (one deity/person/aspect), and Modalism (Oneness) which are held by some Christian groups.

That succinctly describes what I believe the Bible reveals and that is what I believe.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Trinity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Within Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single Being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a perichoresis of three persons (personae, prosopa): Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit (the Paraclete or advocate). Since the 4th Century, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "[B]One God in Three Persons," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal "persons" or "hypostases," share a single Divine essence, being, or nature. Supporting the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism, and is opposed to the positions of Binitarianism (two deities/persons/aspects), and Unitarianism (one deity/person/aspect), and Modalism (Oneness) which are held by some Christian groups.

That succinctly describes what I believe the Bible reveals and that is what I believe. [/B]

Then you do believe the Trinitarian Doctrine.

Which is one God, with separate manifestations that talk to each other frequently. This is termed Dissociative Identity Disorder. In some of my graduate work I was able to spend some time with a person believed to have such a disorder, I think it is a fiction, same as Trinitarian Doctrine.

Originally posted by Regret
Which is one God, with separate manifestations that talk to each other frequently. This is termed Dissociative Identity Disorder. In some of my graduate work I was able to spend some time with a person believed to have such a disorder, I think it is a fiction, same as Trinitarian Doctrine.

Who's report are you going to believe Regret, God's or man's. God's Word does not characterize the Godhead as Dissociative Identity Disorder so why are you doing so?

I think I am binitariarist then. I believe that, and have seen in the Bible, that the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. Therefore, God would be pure Holy Spirit. Jesus would have been the Holy Spirit in a man. Therefore, Jesus would be God without being as great as God because of his flesh which is weak.

The Holy Spirit is His own Person. God the Father is a Spirit, God the Son is still in His flesh and bone body (albeit it is a glorified, immortal body now), and God the Holy Spirit is a Spirit. Jesus never once called the Holy Spirit His Father so I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father per se. But I do believe that the Three are one God. The Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father but is still His own distinct Personage or Person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father but is still His own distinct Personage or Person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Who's report are you going to believe Regret, God's or man's. God's Word does not characterize the Godhead as Dissociative Identity Disorder so why are you doing so?

People that claim God spoke to himself, pleaded with himself, claimed that He had at least two separate differing wills ("Not my will, but thine be done"😉, these claims support a diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). God's word identifies three distinct beings, and as such the Bible does not characterize the Godhead as DID, Trinitarian Doctrine, which you espouse, does that.