Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Who's report are you going to believe Regret, God's or man's. God's Word does not characterize the Godhead as Dissociative Identity Disorder so why are you doing so?
Technically we wouldn't be having the debate if God's word had actually been clear on the subject, but what do you know... it is vague and confusing, allowing wildly different interpretations.
You make it sound as if there is a chapter in the Bible that clarifies it perfectly.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Technically we wouldn't be having the debate if God's word had actually been clear on the subject, but what do you know... it is vague and confusing, allowing wildly different interpretations.You make it sound as if there is a chapter in the Bible that clarifies it perfectly.
No offense I.S. but is Regret incapable of answering for himself? I see you repeatedly jumping in and responding for him. No offense though.
Originally posted by Jury
How is Jesus God?If you are a Christian, and if you believe in the Bible... you wouldn't have asked such question. 🙂
Because the Bible never mentioned that Jesus is our God. Never.
* well, maybe to you...
* but the Bible says that Jesus is a God of the Christians...
"Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
Titus 2:13
"Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:"
II Peter 1:1
* one is an apostle for the circumcised and one is for the Gentiles, but both of them believe that Christ is a God and Savior... 😉
Originally posted by Loving_Daniel11
"Holy mary mother of GOD.... .. " Well, how the frig can Mary be Mother of God when the earth was CREATED by God and Jesus is Mary's son? Im all confuzzled on this junk. If Mary was blessed with a child by God, how was Jesus <God> The one to be put into her stomach?
It works on a Hindu principle of the birth of Krishna, the creator (plagerised later to incorporate Jesus, maybe)
Jesus was not created when he was born, he was incarneted, like Krishna is believed to be.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus is God. There I said it.[B]John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word[Jesus Christ pre-existed time itself], and the Word was with God [Jesus Christ was with the Father God before time existed], and the Word was God[Jesus Christ is God, God the Son].But Gautama Buddha on the other hand was just a man. Gautama Buddha was a spiritual teacher in the ancient Indian subcontinent and the historical founder of Buddhism. He is universally recognised by Buddhists as the Supreme Buddha of our age.The time of his birth and death are unclear, most modern books still date his lifetime between 563 BCE and 483 BCE, but more recent research points to a date about a century later than this. By tradition, he was born with the name Siddhârtha Gautama.
Oh, and Buddha was a sinner. [/B]
Oh, that only reflect how poor you fail to understand Buddhism. If u talked how divinely at their birth, the Buddha himself had a divine birth; much more divine than Jesus. The baby Buddha was unsoiled by the impurities of womb birth. I don’t recall the birth of Jesus being anything more than an ordinary exit from his mother’s womb. Our baby Buddha was not an ordinary baby. He was like shining gold, shining like the sun. After he was born, he took seven steps and declared himself to be master of the cosmos. And then he laughed the loudest laugh, knowing this was to be his last birth on earth. Now that to me is much more divine than the birth of Jesus which is not even mentioned in two of the four Gospels! Be honest—don’t you think that Christians borrowed the idea of a divine birth from Buddhists since the Buddha was born over five hundred years before Jesus?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveImperial Samura is merely participating in our discussion. I have answered. Imperial Samura is simply responding to your post, it is appropriate given the nature of the forum and thread structure and purpose. You have a much different view from the two of us, thus in this three-party discussion his statements should be welcomed.
No offense I.S. but is Regret incapable of answering for himself? I see you repeatedly jumping in and responding for him. No offense though.
Originally posted by Regret
The Bible states that there are three entirely separate beings in the Godhead. It is a false doctrine that preaches that they are one single essence.People that claim God spoke to himself, pleaded with himself, claimed that He had at least two separate differing wills ("Not my will, but thine be done"😉, these claims support a diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). God's word identifies three distinct beings, and as such the Bible does not characterize the Godhead as DID, Trinitarian Doctrine, which you espouse, does that.
(sighs with compassionate patience) Regret, God is not one Person He is one God. Each One is called God: God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. These three constitute one God, not one entity per se.
Originally posted by Regret
Thus the Trinitarian deification of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).
Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.
Originally posted by mahasattva
Oh, that only reflect how poor you fail to understand Buddhism. If u talked how divinely at their birth, the Buddha himself had a divine birth; much more divine than Jesus. The baby Buddha was unsoiled by the impurities of womb birth. I don’t recall the birth of Jesus being anything more than an ordinary exit from his mother’s womb. Our baby Buddha was not an ordinary baby. He was like shining gold, shining like the sun. After he was born, he took seven steps and declared himself to be master of the cosmos. And then he laughed the loudest laugh, knowing this was to be his last birth on earth. Now that to me is much more divine than the birth of Jesus which is not even mentioned in two of the four Gospels! Be honest—don’t you think that Christians borrowed the idea of a divine birth from Buddhists since the Buddha was born over five hundred years before Jesus?
http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm
No, buddha did not have a divine birth. There is no evidence that Buddha was divine in any respect. That is simply your belief. Buddha was/is a human being, and he was born a sinner just like every other human being. Buddha was/is not the master of anything except his own self-delusion.
I know this sounds rude but if someone does not tell you the truth you will follow in Buddha's error and end up with him in Hell for eternity. I have already told you that Jesus Christ has always existed. Jesus Christ created Siddhârtha Gautama known to many as a Buddha. To my knowledge Buddha never claimed to be God. But Jesus did claim oneness with God, equality with God, and to be the Creator in human flesh.
Exodus 3:13-14
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Just prior to Moses embarking on his mission from God (to demand the emancipation of the Israelites from Pharaoh's dominion) he had a conversation with God. Moses wanted to know God's Name so that he could inform Pharaoh Who sent him. God the Father told Moses that His Name is "I AM." This is a very important designation.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Jesus Christ identifies Himself with the exact same designation as the Father. I AM is a Name that denotes God's eternal, self-existence. Jesus is God, not God the Father, but God the Son (i.e. He is equal with God).
Matthew 2:2
2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”
These men traveled for approximately two years to find and worship the infant Jesus. I don't know about you but I wouldn't travel a fraction of an inch to worship anyone. Yet these men subjected themselves to the rigors of traveling (probably on camel) across desert and treacherous terrain. They probably had to contend with wild animals and inclement weather and other discomforts.
All for what?
They were coming to worship God in the flesh, Jesus the Christ.
Luke 5:21
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Luke 5:24
But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins...."
Jesus even forgave sins while He was on earth.
Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm
Jesus receives worship. Under the Law of Moses (which was the Supreme Law of the Land for the Israelites, similar to our U.S. Constitution) the Jews were forbidden from worshipping any other god but the One, True, God.
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he [the angel] said to me [John], “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
In the Book of Revelation John, one of Jesus' closest disciples and apostles was so overcome with the revelation that he received from the angel that he fell down at his (the angel's) feet to worship him on more than one occasion. But the angel immediately and sternly warned and forbid John from doing thus both times. The angel told the apostle John to worship God
Luke 24:52
And they worshiped Him [Jesus], and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
John 9:35-38
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?”
And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.
Notice that unlike the angel Jesus never refrains from receiving worship. On every occasion where someone worshipped Jesus, Jesus did not warn them, or try to stop them. Jesus did not forbid anyone from worshipping Him and worship belongs only to God. Friends, Jesus is God and not a god.
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
The fact that Jesus is the Son of God does not imply that He is less than or inferior to the Father. Son of God means that Jesus is equal to the Father in every way. The Jews knew this that is why they sought all the more to kill Jesus. Son of God means that Jesus is God, God the Son.
Colossians 1:16
For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
God is the Creator correct? Well, this verse is a reference to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Creator and Jesus Christ is God, God the Son.
John 10:30
I and My Father are one .”
Jesus affirmed that He and His Father are one. What does Jesus mean? Jesus means that He and His Father constitute one "God" but not one divine Person. There is God the Father and there is God the Son, and there is God the Holy Spirit. One God in three Persons.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(sighs with compassionate patience) Regret, God is not one Person He is one God. Each One is called God: God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. These three constitute one God, not one entity per se.Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.
This is not Trinitarian Doctrine, I am sorry, but this view is not what the Trinitarian view states. I understand what you are saying, but it is not Trinitarian. I have three friends (Catholic Deacon, Baptist Minister, and Methodist Minister) that have explained it to me, and they agree on what Trinitarian doctrine is, it is one entity that presents in one of three different forms. One unique personage three presentations.
Originally posted by Alliance
Is it any coincidence that the original Christians though that jesus was simply a man? while the radical and rebel catholic branches (and thier protestant decendants) thought Jesus was a god.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yep he was voted to be god........seriously.
Originally posted by Alliance
By the Catholics correct?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, the Holy Roman Catholic church......It was at a council meeting, around 324 AD.
The early Christians believed Christ was God, the Council of Nicaea only defined what that meant. They altered the belief that Christ and God were separate to accommodate their interpretation of the one Lord and no other God references in the Bible. The Council of Nicaea defined Trinitarian Doctrine.
Originally posted by AllianceNo, he was believed to be a God. There is no reference to a belief aside from this. There is reference to him being a man, but being a man does not eliminate Godhood.
I don't remember that being correct. Jesus was a man, the mortal sun of god.He later became a god himself thorugh the Catholic church.