Originally posted by mr.smiley
This only makes this seem even more painfully obvious.This is a passage full of awful despair.I refuse to belive a good,honest,person who questions the existance of a God,will burn in a hell,but someone who has murdered will be accepted by God just because he "belives".
But, that is the mass appeal of the religion. Be a good man...go to heaven. Be a bad man...go to heaven.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Demons and Satan were thought up by the Roman church...Though you can create your own....What you think about will eventually create your reality...Do a search on: The law of attraction or creating your own reality. Science is involved there.
Originally posted by mr.smiley
This only makes this seem even more painfully obvious.This is a passage full of awful despair.I refuse to belive a good,honest,person who questions the existance of a God,will burn in a hell,but someone who has murdered will be accepted by God just because he "belives".
But you don't know if the bad man infact goes to hell, and the good man goes to heaven. We can think that he does, but in the end it's God's decision to make. He is the just judge and whether we enter Heaven or not is determined by our actions done on earth, not being a death bed convert.
Originally posted by gp christ loves
whom so ever beliveth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life thats what christ said
so if a inosent man says he beieves he is forgiven and goes to heaven and if a murderur says he believes then he is forgiven and goes to heaven
you see this is such a stupid damn freakin quote! it disgusts me how the bible..god jesus whoever! created such a stupid idea that a murderer could be forgiven...by no means should murderer be forgiven...no means at all...to take another human life away for no just cause is unforgivable....you see someone killed one of my best friends i was there when the incident happened.....i so freakin pissed off that he only got 10 years of prison to only be relesed! I hate that! a murderer should die if he or she inteded to kill the victim... But someone like me would go to hell cause i don't believe in a God...Cause i choose to live the way i want to live life the way i want...when i've help so many in need done so much good in this world and still get sent to hell....while a murderer, gets to go to heaven after killing like 3 people lets say and he prays for forgiveness and goes to heaven....Yea right....screw God, screw jesus, and screw christianity......You can choose to believe what ever you want to believe...It's not my choice...but know that you wasted you life living how someone else..some man..or woman believed that was good an moral.....
Originally posted by AdventChild
you see this is such a stupid damn freakin quote! it disgusts me how the bible..god jesus whoever! created such a stupid idea that a murderer could be forgiven...by no means should murderer be forgiven...no means at all...to take another human life away for no just cause is unforgivable....you see someone killed one of my best friends i was there when the incident happened.....i so freakin pissed off that he only got 10 years of prison to only be relesed! I hate that! a murderer should die if he or she inteded to kill the victim... But someone like me would go to hell cause i don't believe in a God...Cause i choose to live the way i want to live life the way i want...when i've help so many in need done so much good in this world and still get sent to hell....while a murderer, gets to go to heaven after killing like 3 people lets say and he prays for forgiveness and goes to heaven....Yea right....screw God, screw jesus, and screw christianity......You can choose to believe what ever you want to believe...It's not my choice...but know that you wasted you life living how someone else..some man..or woman believed that was good an moral.....
Define Murderer. If takening of the human life is murder, than how do you plead sefl-defense? What of the murderer who was raised to kill, and half way through his life he is taught that it is wrong. Does he deserve to go to hell? But of the murderer who kills his life, and repents on his death bed, thinking he can escape is wrong. The assumption that is made by this quote is usually a terribly off the charts estimation. You can not judge, therefore do not judge. Because if one day you must kill (war perhaps), you wouldn't want to be judged unmercifully as you have judged this one without mercy...
murderer as in cerial killer...goes to prison and asks for god's forgiveness in prison and lives a holy life....is what i meant.....his forgiveness doesn't bring back those lives and losses to the family...that family will forever have hatred for that person so even in heave it seems like there will always be hatred.....and anger...
Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
Define Murderer. If takening of the human life is murder, than how do you plead sefl-defense? What of the murderer who was raised to kill, and half way through his life he is taught that it is wrong. Does he deserve to go to hell? But of the murderer who kills his life, and repents on his death bed, thinking he can escape is wrong. The assumption that is made by this quote is usually a terribly off the charts estimation. You can not judge, therefore do not judge. Because if one day you must kill (war perhaps), you wouldn't want to be judged unmercifully as you have judged this one without mercy...
i don't know you tell me.....if he should go to hell or not i'm not the one who believes in god and all that dumb crap....and i woldn't want to be judged unmercifully.....if i've killed others for not just cause then i deserve to die unmercifully....
Originally posted by AdventChild
murderer as in cerial killer...goes to prison and asks for god's forgiveness in prison and lives a holy life....is what i meant.....his forgiveness doesn't bring back those lives and losses to the family...that family will forever have hatred for that person so even in heave it seems like there will always be hatred.....and anger...
You can not deny an over turned soul. Just like the river can not deny the boulder that fell into it's banks. Than they are a hypocritical family. Let me enlighten you on something. You came into this world with nothing, and like that you will leave. I understand what you are trying to convey across. But the cerial killer that truley, truley converts and lives a holy life can not be denied a rightful judgement. Notice I didn't say passage into heaven, because we do not judge those who die. Therefore let us live our lives without judging.
Originally posted by AdventChild
i don't know you tell me.....if he should go to hell or not i'm not the one who believes in god and all that dumb crap....and i woldn't want to be judged unmercifully.....if i've killed others for not just cause then i deserve to die unmercifully....
Niether do I, but you constantly encircle around a hatred for those who believe in God. Granted, like I said I don't know you, but get to know the people here a little. You'll see that much of us, if not all, are quite different...
Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
Niether do I, but you constantly encircle around a hatred for those who believe in God. Granted, like I said I don't know you, but get to know the people here a little. You'll see that much of us, if not all, are quite different...
Let me get things clear...
I don't have hatred for those who believe in God..They can believe whatever they need to, to go through the day...what ever makes them happy is good enough for me...but i don't respect the fact that others don't accept what i believe and try to argue that there is a God and that everything in the bible is true...that's why it seems that i have a hatred for those who believe in god and all that...
Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
But you don't know if the bad man infact goes to hell, and the good man goes to heaven. We can think that he does, but in the end it's God's decision to make. He is the just judge and whether we enter Heaven or not is determined [b]by our actions done on earth, not being a death bed convert. [/B]
It's okay Prince, you can argue with me, despite the fact that we are friends. I love you despite your beliefs. 😉 Don't attack someone else when you'd rather confront me.
Look, there is nothing in christianity that disputes the fact that the death bed convert can ask AND recieve forgivness. Anyone who's faced with death can be an easy convert. Hell, they're dying! While it is true that your god preaches "live a good life and go to heaven"...he also preaches that at any point you can accept Jesus and get into heaven. Don't muddy the waters by saying that it's all dependant on living a good life. It simply isn't what the christian religions preach.
So, the logical conclusion is that the whole "live a good life and enjoy the eternal benefits" bullshit is all man made. This isn't a home loan we're talking about...this is eternity...you don't have to make the payments on time!