childish.......yes.........correct........also, yes.
sorry....but his logic is flawless. You can not prove a negative.....only prove a seemingly contradictive positive, there is no unicorn behind you. In this case.....even that logic would fail. For some reason, perhaps you can not see the unicorn......doesn't mean it's not there. Perhaps it only reflects uv light........who knows......a unicorn has never been captured and studied.
Re: Re: Re: Prove to me that god exists.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Your analogy commits the logic fallacy of False Analogy as it attempts to draw a comparison between two things that are relatively dissimilar, e.g. artificial structures in natural environments, and natural structures in natural environments.Moreover, while the existence of complex natural structures is a true premise, it does not logically support the conclusion that an intelligent designer exists.
Rethorical arguments again... I mean that when some structure, order is observed, people often think that some intelligence was behind it. Its difficult to believe that those structures happened ramdomly. But there is structures, and order in nature too, but why not even consider the theory that some intelligence was behind it. If the universe has no intelligence guiding it, it is very reasonable to argue that extremely complex and well-ordered systems like organisms for example, wouldn´t exist, they are very complex, it could be that some intelligence is behind them. Is that too difficult to understand !?
Originally posted by Dimmimar
Look a giant invisible pink unicorn behind you! You can't disprove it.
Yes I can, I just need to look behind and... What a pink unicorn !?
Just kidding. If it is pink it is a visible unicorn right, and it can be seen with our eyes, so we have ways to measure the unicorn, and if we do not see it we can conclude that it is not behind us. But he could exist somewhere else.
And talking about God... like lil bitchiness said its not possible to prove that God doesn´t exist, but it doesn´t mean that it exist. God is just not provable. That is a question without an answer.
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Originally posted by Atlantis001
Rethorical arguments again... I mean that when some structure, order is observed, people often think that some intelligence was behind it. Its difficult to believe that those structures happened ramdomly. But there is structures, and order in nature too, but why not even consider the theory that some intelligence was behind it. If the universe has no intelligence guiding it, it is very reasonable to argue that extremely complex and well-ordered systems like organisms for example, wouldn´t exist, they are very complex, it could be that some intelligence is behind them. Is that too difficult to understand !?
It is unreasonable to assume that a structure is created simply because it is complex and ordered. This is because complexity and order are not necessarily evidence of intelligence.
Order from disorder commonly occurs in nature; a snowflake is a complex and ordered structure that forms according to natural laws; intelligence has nothing to do with it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prove to me that god exists.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is unreasonable to assume that a structure is created simply because it is complex and ordered. This is because complexity and order are not necessarily evidence of intelligence.Order from disorder commonly occurs in nature; a snowflake is a complex and ordered structure that forms according to natural laws; intelligence has nothing to do with it.
I´m not proving God, but I´m saying that there are strong indications that are worth of attention. There are even more abstract theories in science that exist, like superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, etc. I´m aware that order in nature does not necessarily mean that there is intelligence behind it, but I would say there is a high probability. Of course all this complexity and order of the universe could be completely aleatory, I find hard to believe, however it could be true.
No one can prove that the order in nature is aleatory, and no intelligence was behind it. So, why believe so easily in this ? If its not provable, we can´t take it as if it was a fact. Everything is formed accordingly to the natural laws, these have the exact structure to form complex, and ordered systems, maybe this natural laws have some intelligence behind them.
Concluding... its not possible to prove that there is intelligence behind nature systems, although it seems logical. It will explain the order in the universe, and its difficult to believe(at least for some) that everything is aleatory, order in nature will be just coincidences, accidents. Whats the probability of this order be just accidental ?
Originally posted by Atlantis001
I´m not proving God, but I´m saying that there are strong indications that are worth of attention. There are even more abstract theories in science that exist, like superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, etc. I´m aware that order in nature does not necessarily mean that there is intelligence behind it, but I would say there is a high probability. Of course all this complexity and order of the universe could be completely aleatory, I find hard to believe, however it could be true.
If complexity and order are not necessarily evidence of intelligence, then how do you conclude that there is a "high probability" of intelligence based on the existence of complexity and order?
Originally posted by Atlantis001
No one can prove that the order in nature is aleatory, and no intelligence was behind it. So, why believe so easily in this ? If its not provable, we can´t take it as if it was a fact. Everything is formed accordingly to the natural laws, these have the exact structure to form complex, and ordered systems, maybe this natural laws have some intelligence behind them.
"An intelligence does not exist," is a negation, of course, it cannot be proven.
Likewise, no one can prove that leprechauns do not exist, but this is not reason to believe that leprechauns do exist.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Concluding... its not possible to prove that there is intelligence behind nature systems, although it seems logical. It will explain the order in the universe, and its difficult to believe(at least for some) that everything is aleatory, order in nature will be just coincidences, accidents. Whats the probability of this order be just accidental ?
"An intelligence exists," is a positive claim, and positive claims can be substantiated.
No, it does not seem logical to unecessarily assume the existence of an intelligence.
Complexity and order do not occur in nature randomly, but according to the laws of physics. This makes the existence of complexity and order in nature highly probable.
Re: Prove to me that god exists.
Originally posted by Imlistening
I just want some evidence that god exists.
Is there even any?
I just cant see my self relying on a feeling that im supposed to get by asking god in prayer or even by just sitting in church. feelings dont prove a damn thing.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
um.......the people who don't believe in god are not the one's making incredible claims. Incredible statements require incredible research yeilding incredible evidence. The burden of proof falls on those making such statements. None has ever been given........incredible, mediocre or minimal.Most people don't say, "there is no god"......I know I don't.......most say, "I don't believe there is a god". They are not making incredible statements. Those religious nutjobs are the ones who say, "there is a god!"...........which means they are making incredible statements and therefore required to back them up with incredible evidence.
Each statemnt ''there is no god'' and ''there is a god'' are as invalid as each other, because it cant be proven or disproven either way.
You claiming that your argument of ''there is no god'' where you cannot prove or disprove it, is just as ridiculous as the argument of ''there is a god, and I dont need to prove it''
The ''fact'' is, you cannot DISPROVE there is no god. You can claim that you cannot see, hear or feel him/her/it as your ''evidence''.
Because you cannot see, hear or feel something, it isnt a plausable evidence that it isnt there. It, of course does not confirm its existance either.
You cannot see virus without proper equipment, that however does not mean it isnt there - it can even kill you.
You cannot hear high pitch sounds without proper equipment, that however does not mean that such sounds do not exist.
Your arguments are based on the same principle those of people who believe in god are.
And if we are already talking about religion, fact, in religion is meaningless, just as faith within science is.
Well everybody already knows what I believe....but since I'm here again....I'll just say.....In relation to what I've read in some quantum fields studies there is such a vast unexplainable phenomena that there is something that we can access and are apart of...It's interactive with us and we are interactive with IT.....There's a something...It might be apart of consciousness and Nature and subatomic particles...but very much alive and behaves in an intelligent way.
I am full of it, and so are you.
As long as people ask God to be proven to them they'll never see it because they have to many of their own ideas as to what God should be.Wake up!Realize God isn't something to be proven but is the moment here and now.This is God.That is God.We are God.Now forget what I just said and don't take this concept of God as your own.
Start the abstact thinking friends.
Originally posted by mr.smiley
As long as people ask God to be proven to them they'll never see it because they have to many of their own ideas as to what God should be.Wake up!Realize God isn't something to be proven but is the moment here and now.This is God.That is God.We are God.Now forget what I just said and don't take this concept of God as your own.Start the abstact thinking friends.
I think people forget about the forget about the obvious, we are the living part of the universe.
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Originally posted by Evil Dead
um.......the people who don't believe in god are not the one's making incredible claims. Incredible statements require incredible research yeilding incredible evidence. The burden of proof falls on those making such statements. None has ever been given........incredible, mediocre or minimal.Most people don't say, "there is no god"......I know I don't.......most say, "I don't believe there is a god". They are not making incredible statements. Those religious nutjobs are the ones who say, "there is a god!"...........which means they are making incredible statements and therefore required to back them up with incredible evidence.
Each statemnt ''there is no god'' and ''there is a god'' are as invalid as each other, because it cant be proven or disproven either way.You claiming that your argument of ''there is no god'' where you cannot prove or disprove it, is just as ridiculous as the argument of ''there is a god, and I dont need to prove it''
The ''fact'' is, you cannot DISPROVE there is no god. You can claim that you cannot see, hear or feel him/her/it as your ''evidence''.
Because you cannot see, hear or feel something, it isnt a plausable evidence that it isnt there. It, of course does not confirm its existance either.
You cannot see virus without proper equipment, that however does not mean it isnt there - it can even kill you.
You cannot hear high pitch sounds without proper equipment, that however does not mean that such sounds do not exist.Your arguments are based on the same principle those of people who believe in god are.
And if we are already talking about religion, fact, in religion is meaningless, just as faith within science is.
read again bitch...........I believe I typed "I don't BELIEVE...."........which makes that long diatribe of yours moot. It helps if you actually read a post before you decide to reply to it.
p.s. science isn't a faith. If you can see it, touch it, taste it, hear it and smell it...........it's real, it's fact. Well........that is unless you're one of these nerds who believe we're all living in the Matrix.