God or No God?

Explain the speed of dark first.

speed of dark creates nothingness 😖mart: 😖mart: now just hand over that darn Nobel price right now

Originally posted by finti
speed of dark creates nothingness 😖mart: 😖mart: now just hand over that darn Nobel price right now

OK.....you win....cheers

But doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected?

But doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected?

But you're making the unexpected unexpected...so it....expected, the unexpected is.... 😑

So you agreed with me.... 😄

Originally posted by debbiejo
But you're making the unexpected unexpected...so it....expected, the unexpected is.... 😑

So you agreed with me.... 😄

The difference between "being on to something" and being on something" is just a "to".

That was unexpectedly expected.

unexpectedly expected expectation

Originally posted by finti
unexpectedly expected expectation

Wow! that was unexpected. 😆

LET THERE BE LIGHT!! and there was!god created the light, brilliant, he's done good there, then he had to make man. different method here, he could of said 'let there be man' and there would of been definetly, because gods a genius, but he decided to make man out of dust just cos he can, he's the best.

now onto the woman

adam: you gonna make here out of dust god?
god: no, out of your ribs
adam: you cant do tha ahh
god: done

prove to me that atoms exist...i challenge you. it is impossible to do such a thing, u cannot show me an atom through a microscope, u cannot even locate its exact co-ordinates in 4 dimensional space...even trying to locate it will move it so that its no longer where you think it is, and u cant prove that it was there in the first place. this is the uncertainty principle, which quite frankly stops us from having 100% certainty of anything.

Erwin schrodinger thought up a theoretical experiment where he places a living cat into a steel chamber, along with a device containing a sealed vial of hydrocyanic acid (very harmful). There is, in the chamber, a very small amount of a radioactive substance. If even a single atom of the substance decays during the test period, a relay mechanism will trip a hammer, which will, in turn, break the vial and kill the cat. The observer cannot know whether or not an atom of the substance has decayed, and consequently, cannot know whether the vial has been broken, the hydrocyanic acid released, and the cat killed. Since we cannot know, the cat is both dead and alive according to quantum law, in a superposition of states. schrodingers cat proves that an atom can be in 2 states/places at once.

Therefore there is a chance that the 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms in your body can collectively vanish from earth and instantaneously reappear in some far corner of the universe. it doesnt happen, but theres always the chance that it could happen. the universe is a game of chances, where everything is both possible and impossible, the whole thing is a paradox, and yet it manages to provide a tiny little corner where humans are able to exist and contemplate such matters.

Its been calculated that the chances of the universe manifesting in the way that it has without a "divine" intervention is in the region of 1 in 10 to the power 4000..thats a hell of a small chance, about as close to infinetesimal as you are likely to get..but its still a chance. ask any mathematician and they will tell u that an event with a 1 in 10 to the power 50 chance of occuring is in the category of almost impossible, so the universe coming about in this way on its own is extremely unlikely. however, introduce an omnipotent being into the equation, and the event becomes a certainty. the uncertainty in the matter is whether God exsits. the simplest explanation of course is to have God in the equation. as Occams razor shows, the simplest explanation is almost always the correct one. but theres always a chance that it isnt.

The essence is that u cant prove anything beyond a doubt by simply arguing about it...if it was possible to settle the matter of the existence of God, then people wouldnt still be divided on the matter. im afraid the question u have asked is not answerable by anyone else but you. only you can truly muster your own belief or disbelief

however, introduce an omnipotent being into the equation, and the event becomes a certainty. the uncertainty in the matter is whether God exsits. the simplest explanation of course is to have God in the equation. as Occams razor shows, the simplest explanation is almost always the correct one. but theres always a chance that it isnt.

actually, the simplest answer would be that the universe itself is omnipotent...........

prove to me that atoms exist...i challenge you. it is impossible to do such a thing

fair enough...but u still cant pin point its 4D location and be sure that its actually there. thats what i was tryin to emphasise really...u cant be sure that it exists where it is. uncertainty

Originally posted by Evil Dead
actually, the simplest answer would be that the universe itself is omnipotent...........

in that case, the universe itself is God...which would go with the saying "God is everywhere"

fair enough...but u still cant pin point its 4D location and be sure that its actually there. thats what i was tryin to emphasise really...u cant be sure that it exists where it is.

in that case, the universe itself is God...which would go with the saying "God is everywhere"

Originally posted by finti
well always in motion aint they

many are of that believe yet even if "god" is everywhere according to this way of belief this god/universe cant do anything but just be there. No deity

the universe isnt just "there" inactive...its constantly growing, evolving, and affecting the course of all our lives...every atom in your body is actually chemically bonded to every other atom in the universe...so what the universe becomes affects you too, even if it is in infinitesimal proportions

and you can bring atoms to a halt and suspend them in a laser beam...just cant be sure they're there.

the universe isnt just "there" inactive...its constantly growing, evolving, and affecting the course of all our lives...every atom in your body is actually chemically bonded to every other atom in the universe...so what the universe becomes affects you too, even if it is in infinitesimal proportions

and you can bring atoms to a halt and suspend them in a laser beam...just cant be sure they're there

Originally posted by Matrix_man
in that case, the universe itself is God...which would go with the saying "God is everywhere"

But it isn't a person....It's more like an interrelationship of things...on many levels...a force of something....Though I feel it has some purpose, or some intelligence to it...

WOW!...I did spell check and spelled interrelationship right...Good for me.... 😱

Originally posted by finti
yeah but I used the example to differ it from a religious god a deity

fair enough

hard for the eye to look through a laser beam, but they even filmed this visualisation of atoms though

ok i'll concede that u can see an atom, thats fair enough, but the crux of my argument was in the fact that u can never be certain its there, whether u see it or not.