in that case, the universe itself is God...which would go with the saying "God is everywhere"
exactly........which would make everything that exists within part of god.
the thing is, that's not the definition of "god" given by those who believe in god. If one were to believe that (as i do) then the very word "god" is moot on the subject. We already have a name for it, it's called the universe. It is not all powerful, it has it's limitations...........it does not have emotional purpose........it does not judge. A ficticious "god" does all of those......our universe is merely a complex system of interactions between matter, energy and the properties of each.
I thought we named it "Spot", the big yellow friendly dog....^ and I do agree though I think there is some workings of intelligence to it...Even if you want to label it a creating process...because it does seem to operated in a vibrational level of what is invisible to most of us...yet can be accessed to some degree...Or like multidimensional or Holographic properties....Yet unfathomable still......which would also go along with particle and some fields of quantum physics....
Originally posted by debbiejo
I thought we named it "Spot", the big yellow friendly dog....^ and I do agree though I think there is some workings of intelligence to it...Even if you want to label it a creating process...because it does seem to operated in a vibrational level of what is invisible to most of us...yet can be accessed to some degree...Or like multidimensional or Holographic properties....Yet unfathomable still......which would also go along with particle and some fields of quantum physics....
It really doesn't matter if the universe (God) is alive (intelligent), it is a complex system, and complex systems act live life (a complex system).
Originally posted by debbiejo
I thought we named it "Spot", the big yellow friendly dog....^ and I do agree though I think there is some workings of intelligence to it...Even if you want to label it a creating process...because it does seem to operated in a vibrational level of what is invisible to most of us...yet can be accessed to some degree...Or like multidimensional or Holographic properties....Yet unfathomable still......which would also go along with particle and some fields of quantum physics....
i trust you've heard of the superstring theory...if u have then u will know that the theory will always remain just that: a theory. because there is no way to physically test it..it does not manifest itself in our 4 dimensions...strings exists in a 10th or 12th dimension, or maybe even deeper, depending on who u ask. how can we prove something that is untestable?
a fish that has lived all its life in a tank..does it know whats on the other side of the glass? it can only speculate and theorize as to whats outside. the same logic can be applied to a God that is beyond our realm of understanding. we cant test it to prove its existence. all we can do is believe that it does or does not exist, based on our observations of its effects in the universe that we CAN see and understand and test.
great theologists in the past spent their lives arguing this topic, using a priori and a posteriori statements and absolute truths and of course the First cause issue. they couldnt reach an agreement and i doubt we will either...so like i said, stop trying to prove and disprove it, because its a futility to attempt such a thing.
Originally posted by finti
well always in motion aint they
Not always in motion, things in motion always have positions, but those positions change with time, but partiles only have positions when they are observed, until that they are wave functions, and do not have exact positions
Originally posted by Matrix_man
i trust you've heard of the superstring theory...if u have then u will know that the theory will always remain just that: a theory. because there is no way to physically test it..it does not manifest itself in our 4 dimensions...strings exists in a 10th or 12th dimension, or maybe even deeper, depending on who u ask. how can we prove something that is untestable?
But if we had instruments to see in that scale, those dimensions will become macroscopic and superstrings would be visible, the theory says that our universe is 4-D only in the macroscopic scale.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
...But if we had instruments to see in that scale, those dimensions will become macroscopic and superstrings would be visible, the theory says that our universe is 4-D only in the macroscopic scale.
I've had a thought about scale for some time now. I think that scale is like time. In the same way that time and space are joined in relativity, scale and space could be joined. Like a fractal, scale is an illusion. Imagine a universe were everything is the same size (no size) and those things that are smaller or bigger are just further away from each other in the dimension of scale. This is just an idea.
I have not read this thread whatsoever, but I will try to insert my two cents coherently in this little spot open...
First off, I "believe" there isn't a "god" because of many reasons, but one that I find most prevalant is this:
If you were born and raised in Ancient Egypt, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in India, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in America, you would believe in thier gods.
As for converts, they simply attach to a group who have been fed the ideas of those before them.
It was in the nature of man to make up explanations for the universe because no one was capable of major scientific endeavours in those times.
If I make some whack religion and tell 100 children every week that ducks send messages to Jupiter through their quacks, and without much interference from their surroudnings (How convinient that god(s) cannot be proven...), they will believe it.
Do I believe religion is whack, to put it bluntly? Yes.
Do I believe I am better than religious people? No.
Smarter? Make better choices? No.
I believe they are misled by society and if they are happy in this path so be it. If they need gods to comfort them, power to them for having faith.
Originally posted by MC Mike
I have not read this thread whatsoever, but I will try to insert my two cents coherently in this little spot open...First off, I "believe" there isn't a "god" because of many reasons, but one that I find most prevalant is this:
If you were born and raised in Ancient Egypt, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in India, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in America, you would believe in thier gods.
As for converts, they simply attach to a group who have been fed the ideas of those before them.
It was in the nature of man to make up explanations for the universe because no one was capable of major scientific endeavours in those times.
If I make some whack religion and tell 100 children every week that ducks send messages to Jupiter through their quacks, and without much interference from their surroudnings (How convinient that god(s) cannot be proven...), they [b]will
believe it.Do I believe religion is whack, to put it bluntly? Yes.
Do I believe I am better than religious people? No.
Smarter? Make better choices? No.
I believe they are misled by society and if they are happy in this path so be it. If they need gods to comfort them, power to them for having faith. [/B]
Very good. I like that. Expresses a lot of truth.
Originally posted by MC Mike
I have not read this thread whatsoever, but I will try to insert my two cents coherently in this little spot open...First off, I "believe" there isn't a "god" because of many reasons, but one that I find most prevalant is this:
If you were born and raised in Ancient Egypt, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in India, you would believe in their gods.
If you were born and raised in America, you would believe in thier gods.
As for converts, they simply attach to a group who have been fed the ideas of those before them.
It was in the nature of man to make up explanations for the universe because no one was capable of major scientific endeavours in those times.
If I make some whack religion and tell 100 children every week that ducks send messages to Jupiter through their quacks, and without much interference from their surroudnings (How convinient that god(s) cannot be proven...), they [b]will
believe it.Do I believe religion is whack, to put it bluntly? Yes.
Do I believe I am better than religious people? No.
Smarter? Make better choices? No.
I believe they are misled by society and if they are happy in this path so be it. If they need gods to comfort them, power to them for having faith. [/B]
I think that what you have said is true, but you have missed one thing, spirituality. There is a physical need in all humans to be spiritual and if this need is fulfilled you will live a better live then if it is left empty. Spirituality is not a belief, but the act of believing. You can be an atheist and be spiritual, all you have to do is believe in something. For you, maybe science would do, but for me, I have a rich spirituality in my Buddhism, and I don't hurt anyone. I wish you great happiness. 😄
Originally posted by SpelljammerYep, and to add they only argue semantics most often than not.
Athiests claim to be the most sane out of all of us and yet they are closely to the frame of mind of a maniac. They're in thier own little world (or lack thereoff..) where they believe everybody else is wrong and they are right. Most religous people don't get it exactly perfect, but each major spiritual dogma has some good points, stuff to think about, and finds healthy middle ground. What does athiesm prove? "Life sucks, you die, nothing's there to make it better". Oh what a philosophy to live by! SpellJammer wants to hold sermons with you right away!SpellJammer cannot prove to you God exsists, only you can prove to yourself when you choose to exsept that the voice of God is speaking to you constantly and you're just refusing to listen. It angers SpellJammer that He shows such compassion and grattitude for you all and yet you're so quick to turn your back on Him, deny He's even there, and further betray Him for your own personal gain.. You deserve Hellfire and torment. But the real God isn't like that. Unfourtanately. Which makes SpellJammer wonder why God did not just listen to Satan's ideas.. We've seen where being nice gets you as the generations grow duller and more idiotic with each passing year..
Takes away the idea of faith, only you can prove that to yourself, but you yourself are proof.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
But if we had instruments to see in that scale, those dimensions will become macroscopic and superstrings would be visible, the theory says that our universe is 4-D only in the macroscopic scale.
its not just a case of seeing in that scale, its a case of unravelling about 7 other dimensions...something which no physicist on earth has any clue of how to go about. i doubt that it will be pursued with much ferver
if you got the opportunity to see the atom you would know they are there as well as your belief of them being there
it seems i went about my argument the wrong way...u can see an atom, fair enough, but as soon as u look away, it may not be there any more. it may even have transformed into a big fat clown. that is the logic i was trying to put across. i apologise for not doing it correctly in the first place. what i meant to say was that the universe is all about chances, and we cant predict any event in the universe with 100.0% surity. so the universe is goverend by chances.
when u view an atom, at least one photon bounces off it and travesl to your eye and then is transduced and sent to your brain where its processed. but this takes time. in the few nanoseconds it takes for the light to go from the atom to an electrical signal in your brain, the atom could disappear and you would have no idea. it may then reappear before u know its gone and bounce another photon into your eye, making u think it was always there. how can u keep track of something that moves faster than u can keep track of it?
THEREFORE u cant be certain the atom is there the whole time. lol
sorry for the runaround.