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Originally posted by Lana
I can't believe things on faith.The thing with science, which is something that faith and religion don't have, is that it's ever-changing. You say there are no shades of grey. But reality is that the entire world exists in shades of grey. You can be a religious scientist. The two are not exclusive. People can believe just certain things they are taught in religion.
Science is ever changing because in its method is inlaced the truth of the fact that we aren't perfect. that our observations and conclusions can be wrong.
Andn of course science and religion go hand in hand. In fact from what I've seen and learned, science always seems to prove things already alluded to by religion. Science is the illuminating factor and sourc of 'evidence' to point of an existence of this God.
The most interesting thing regarding this discussion is the fact that during the Apollo 8 mission, the crew when asked to send a message back to the earth said:
Jim Lovell: "The vast loneliness is awe-inspiring and it makes you realize just what you have back there on Earth."
William Anders: "For all the people on Earth the crew of Apollo 8 has a message we would like to send you."
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."
Jim Lovell: "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
Frank Borman: "And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."
"And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas, and God bless all of you - all of you on the good Earth."
LOL. Its an beautiful instant where these very heralded scientists..these people who escaped the clutches of gravity to fly above and beyond and the message they have to send back is just that of faith. 🙂
[QUOTE] Science is always trying to find new answers to things, to try and grasp and understand the things that we don't right now. If someone has an idea about something and research finds it to be wrong, oh well, try again. Religion is very anti-change though. We still have people today that think that the earth was made in 7 days and is only 6,000 years old, despite incontrivertable evidence to the contrary, simply because the bible said so. Just because something is outside our grasp and abilities now, does not mean it always will be. And mankind certainly doesn't progress because of religion.
Science is awesome. And will and has shed light on many aspects of this world. The universe is too vast. Us Homo Sapiens mere mortals. How much can we go and how far and we dig remains to be seen yes...but lets not forget our very limited capabilites.
And as for "people have believed in god since the beginning of mankind" -- not true. For one, early man was too busy trying to not be eaten to worry about such silly and petty things. For another, yes, civilizations HAVE had and worshipped gods....but certainly not the Christian one, who is a mere baby compared to other religions, both those that still exist and those who've long died out. So what makes the Christian god the true one?
I wasn't making refering necessarily to the Christian God...I was talking about faith and existence of God in general.