God or No God?

Originally posted by Mindship
One can also take this approach...
"Where did this Grand Cosmos come from?"
"God created it."
"Where did God come from?"
"God always was."
"So why not just simplify and say, 'The Cosmos always was'?"

The thing is, bottom line: God and Science are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can believe in both.

And the highlighted part right there is PURE SPECULATION. The concept of God as the Alpha and the Omega is so INGRAINED in our minds that we often accept it as fact, even though there is NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE to it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because the cosmos HAD a beginning; it is NOT eternal.

Second, WHAT intiated the big bang (everything has a cause and is an effect of something else except God).

Third, WHERE did the vacuum come from?

How do you know the cosmos had a beginning? Time is an illusion, there is no point of creation.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know the cosmos had a beginning? Time is an illusion, there is no point of creation.

Time is an illusion??? 😂 You got my side cracking. I apologize if me laughing so hard I fall on the floor offends you.

Time is an illusion. I have heard it all.

Because everything has a beginning dearest Shakyamunison. When you came into the world, guess what? YOU had a beginning. YOU DEFINITELY had A POINT of creation--or you wouldn't be here. Your parents had a beginning, the computer that you use had a beginning. It is just a fact of life.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Time is an illusion??? 😂 You got my side cracking.

Time is an illusion. I have heard it all. Because everything has a beginning dearest Shakyamunison. When you came into the world, guess what? YOU had a beginning; your parents had a beginning, the computer that you use had a beginning. It is just a fact of life.

If you read up on Relativity you will see that time is space. I have always been, through countless reincarnations. We are all part of God and God is with no beginning.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you read up on Relativity you will see that time is space. I have always been, through countless reincarnations. We are all part of God and God is with no beginning.

You have not always been, reincarnation is a lie, and we are all NOT part of God, and YES, the one right thing that you have written: God does not have a beginning (I had to paraphrase what you wrote because they way you wrote it is not grammatical).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you read up on Relativity you will see that time is space. I have always been, through countless reincarnations. We are all part of God and God is with no beginning.

With the whole reincarnation, what do the buddhists regard as the lowest life form. If I had to take a guess, I would say it was a fly or at least in my reincarnation hierarchy that takes the lowest

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because the cosmos HAD a beginning; it is NOT eternal.

Pure speculation. Similar to God as having no beginning.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Second, WHAT intiated the big bang (everything has a cause and is an effect of something else except God).

First off, the Big Bang theory is still NOT complete but give our esteemed scientist and astronomers enough time and eventually they will fully unravel its mysteries.

Second, at present, there is no need to speculate a supernatural being to explain the cause of the Big Bang. Occam's razor prevents it.

(By the way, JIA have you heard of the "God of the Gaps" fallacy?)

Third, there is no proof that God is the EXCEPTION to the chain of causality.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Third, WHERE did the vacuum come from?

Vacuum is a state of emptiness. It doesnt come from anything.
IIRC, quantum mechanics posits that matter and anti-matter particles are randomly created and collide with each other in a vacuum without breaking the law of Conservation of Mass and Energy. The resulting energy produced from their collision (or a series of collisions) could provide the spark needed to kickstart the Big Bang.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Because the cosmos HAD a beginning; it is NOT eternal.

Second, WHAT intiated the big bang (everything has a cause and is an effect of something else except God).

Third, WHERE did the vacuum come from?

The universe had a beginning, Not the Cosmos, Not this false vacuum. That always was, just like one can say God always was, except that mine is a simpler proposition. Read carefully what I wrote.

Quantum fluctuations are random events, energy seeking a lower, more stable state.

What I've always been curious about is how people accept God's existence just because it is written down. The Big Bang is written down, too.
"Yeah, but it was not written/inspired by God."
How do you know?
"Because it doesn't say so."
Because God is not the point in a science text: the Big Bang is. You wanna read about God, jeez, man, read the Bible.

I think if I were to be reincarnated I would like to be a tree (the great trees.) It might not be closer to or further from the peak then I am now, but the concept just appeals to me.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
With the whole reincarnation, what do the buddhists regard as the lowest life form. If I had to take a guess, I would say it was a fly or at least in my reincarnation hierarchy that takes the lowest

There is no lowest life form. All things are... 😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have not always been, reincarnation is a lie, and we are all NOT part of God, and YES, the one right thing that you have written: God does not have a beginning (I had to paraphrase what you wrote because they way you wrote it is not grammatical).

I could say that all you believe is a lie, but I will not stoop that low. 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
[B]The universe had a beginning, Not the Cosmos, ]

Yo, Mindship,

Cosmos is a synonym for "Universe."

cosmos
One entry found for cosmos.

Main Entry: cos·mos
Pronunciation: 'käz-m&s, 1 and 2 also -"mOs, -"mäs
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek kosmos
1 a : UNIVERSE 1 b (1) : an orderly harmonious systematic universe -- compare CHAOS (2) : ORDER, HARMONY
2 : a complex orderly self-inclusive system
3 plural cosmos /-m&s, -m&z / also cos·mos·es /-m&-s&z/ [New Latin, genus name, from Greek kosmos] : any of a genus (Cosmos) of tropical American composite herbs; especially : a widely cultivated tall annual (C. bipinnatus) with yellow or red disks and showy ray flowers
[cosmos illustration]

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no lowest life form. All things are... 😄

Don' t they ahve a hierachy at least in hinduism, I oculd have sworn they did, it had somethign to do with your darma and what you did in this life determined your situation in the next life.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Don' t they ahve a hierachy at least in hinduism, I oculd have sworn they did, it had somethign to do with your darma and what you did in this life determined your situation in the next life.

Yes they do, but that is not how I believe. 😄 My cat's soul is just as precious as mine.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yo, Mindship,

Cosmos is a synonym for "Universe."

[B]cosmos
One entry found for cosmos.

Main Entry: cos·mos
Pronunciation: 'käz-m&s, 1 and 2 also -"mOs, -"mäs
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek kosmos
1 a : UNIVERSE 1 b (1) : an orderly harmonious systematic universe -- compare CHAOS (2) : ORDER, HARMONY
2 : a complex orderly self-inclusive system
3 plural cosmos /-m&s, -m&z / also cos·mos·es /-m&-s&z/ [New Latin, genus name, from Greek kosmos] : any of a genus (Cosmos) of tropical American composite herbs; especially : a widely cultivated tall annual (C. bipinnatus) with yellow or red disks and showy ray flowers
[cosmos illustration] [/B]

Interesting. You accept the above as incontrovertible--though it isn't from the Bible--yet not the Big Bang.

Anyway, if you were familiar with physics and cosmology--and not just how to find words online--you would know that words like "universe" and "cosmos" can also be used differently, to differentiate between fine shades of meaning, very useful when one is discussing events before the Big Bang or contexts larger than our observable universe.

However, if it makes things easier to understand, substitute "Multiverse" (a word that is being used more and more by scientists) for "Cosmos." Our universe is one part of the Multiverse, and one can say the Multiverse always was, just like saying God always was...except that the Multiverse proposition is simpler and has the additional advantage of being theoretically empirically testable.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes they do, but that is not how I believe. 😄 My cat's soul is just as precious as mine.

Actually, Jesus said that humans are of more value than animals. A sparrow here can represent the animal kingdom. Since we are NOT animals, but we are of MORE value the animal kingdom en masse. Furthermore, the soul is priceless because this is the part of humanity that is made in the image of God. God is a spirit.

Luke 12:6-8
Are not five sparrows sold for two copper coins? And not one of them is forgotten before God. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.
Matthew 16:26
26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Actually, Jesus said that humans are of more value than animals. A sparrow here can represent the animal kingdom. Since we are NOT animals, but we are of MORE value the animal kingdom en masse. Furthermore, the soul is priceless because this is the part of humanity that is made in the image of God. God is a spirit.

Luke 12:6-8
Are not five sparrows sold for two copper coins? And not one of them is forgotten before God. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; [B]you are of more value than many sparrows.
Matthew 16:26
26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” [/B]

I'm sorry that you feel that way. That kind of arrogance has lead to much evil in the world.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm sorry that you feel that way. That kind of arrogance has lead to much evil in the world.

The fact that humans are of more value than animals does not mean that we can mistreat animals. That is not what I am saying at all. We should not mistreat animals.

But from God's perspective humans are the only creatures that God said, NOW, LET US MAKE MAN (humanity) IN OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS. We have capacities that animals do not have.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fact that humans are of more value than animals does not mean that we can mistreat animals. That is not what I am saying at all. We should not mistreat animals.

But from God's perspective humans are the only creatures that God said, NOW, LET US MAKE MAN (humanity) IN OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS. We have capacities that animals do not have.

I understand what you are saying, but it is that kind of mentality that leads to the mistreatment of animals. I was not trying to implicate you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes they do, but that is not how I believe. 😄 My cat's soul is just as precious as mine.

Gotcha, but do you believe that you are reincarnated into other thigns or just humans, like for instance your soul could only be reincanated in another human and a cat in another cat.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Gotcha, but do you believe that you are reincarnated into other thigns or just humans, like for instance your soul could only be reincanated in another human and a cat in another cat.

Reincarnation is a lie of the devil and is described as being a "doctrine of demons."

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons ,