God or No God?

Originally posted by TacDavey
That being said, I disagree with the idea that it is illogical to believe in God. Many brilliant people are debating it now. It's still one of the most debated topics around.

What is the logical basis for a belief in a supreme being?

Originally posted by TacDavey
I don't consider atheists idiots or fools or "infantile." We simply disagree on a very debatable topic. Have a little respect for those who disagree with you.

All beliefs do not merit equal consideration. Absurd beliefs deserve criticism and derision.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What is the logical basis for a belief in a supreme being?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What is the logical basis for a belief in a supreme being?

The Kalam Cosmological Argument for starters. I'm already talking about it now on the "Jesus was not the messiah" thread. Hope over there if you're interested.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
All beliefs do not merit equal consideration. Absurd beliefs deserve criticism and derision.

Like I said, the belief in God is not absurd. It is a highly debatable subject which continues to be one of the most debated subjects today.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Why is this a good time to believe in god? Maybe centuries ago when our brains were still unmatured, but these days we have no excuse for believing in such foolishness. At least, not believing it because of the lack of evidence. I think any atheist or skeptic would denounce the absolute certainty in there being no god.

You can believe the theory of evolution and still believe in god...however if that person studied abiogenesis I'm sure they would come around.

It is sometimes hard to believe in something we can't see but people believe in Santa and the easter bunny and we can't see them well not really anyway.
And believing in God brings you happiness and knowing that when you die you will be going to a better place.I like to think that then just think I am going to be just dead and in the ground.

Originally posted by TacDavey
I agree people don't have to denounce evolution to believe in God. I don't really see any reason they supposedly contradict one another.

That being said, I disagree with the idea that it is illogical to believe in God. Many brilliant people are debating it now. It's still one of the most debated topics around.

I don't consider atheists idiots or fools or "infantile." We simply disagree on a very debatable topic. Have a little respect for those who disagree with you.

Well, obviously you're entitled to an opinion, but I would like you to logically prove or demonstrate why a god exists, or why one is necessary.

I have nothing but respect for intelligent people who are willing to debate the issue, I'm solely talking about the people who are closed-minded and won't be convinced no matter what.

Personally I don't see a need for a god to exist especially since a lot of the interactions in our universe can be explained through science. Of course there is a lot we still don't know, but there is no reason that ignorance should be substituted for superstition.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
It is sometimes hard to believe in something we can't see but people believe in Santa and the easter bunny and we can't see them well not really anyway.
And believing in God brings you happiness and knowing that when you die you will be going to a better place.I like to think that then just think I am going to be just dead and in the ground.

I hope you realize you just proved my point. The same logical argument could be made for anything you could possibly conceive..example: I think there is an invisible intangible bug in my living room. Surely because I believe it, it must be true.

I don't believe in god and I'm happy..well like it or not you will more than likely just be dead lying on the ground. Fear of death is natural, obviously people would create delusions to suppress it.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Well, obviously you're entitled to an opinion, but I would like you to logically prove or demonstrate why a god exists, or why one is necessary.

Actually, like I said to the other guy, I'm talking about it on the "Jesus is not the messiah" thread if you want to check it out.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I have nothing but respect for intelligent people who are willing to debate the issue, I'm solely talking about the people who are closed-minded and won't be convinced no matter what.

In that case I apologize.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Personally I don't see a need for a god to exist especially since a lot of the interactions in our universe can be explained through science. Of course there is a lot we still don't know, but there is no reason that ignorance should be substituted for superstition.

I don't think it's being substituted for superstition. I think there are good reasons to believe in a higher power. Look up William Lane Craig if you are really interested. He's one of the top minds on the subject.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Actually, like I said to the other guy, I'm talking about it on the "Jesus is not the messiah" thread if you want to check it out.

In that case I apologize.

I don't think it's being substituted for superstition. I think there are good reasons to believe in a higher power. Look up William Lane Craig if you are really interested. He's one of the top minds on the subject.

If lane craig is the best example of a "top mind" then I'm disappointed.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Comfort.

An appeal to emotion is the antithesis of reason.

Originally posted by TacDavey
The Kalam Cosmological Argument for starters. I'm already talking about it now on the "Jesus was not the messiah" thread. Hope over there if you're interested.

The Kalam Cosmological Argument is circular, requires special pleading, attempts to draw a comparison between two disimilar things, assumes a false dichotomy, and its premises do not support its conclusion. Not to mention the various counterarguments and counterexamples that prove its premises are false. So no, its not a logical basis for believing in a supreme being.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Like I said, the belief in God is not absurd. It is a highly debatable subject which continues to be one of the most debated subjects today.

That any number of people are willing to believe any number of things does not make any given subject up for debate. An absurd belief is an absurd belief no matter how many people wish otherwise.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
If lane craig is the best example of a "top mind" then I'm disappointed.

Well, look into it or don't. Makes little difference to me.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The Kalam Cosmological Argument is circular, requires special pleading, attempts to draw a comparison between two disimilar things, assumes a false dichotomy, and its premises do not support its conclusion. Not to mention the various counterarguments and counterexamples that prove its premises are false. So no, its not a logical basis for believing in a supreme being.

I don't see where any of that is true. Point it out to me.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That any number of people are willing to believe any number of things does not make any given subject up for debate. An absurd belief is an absurd belief no matter how many people wish otherwise.

I don't see it as an absurd belief at all. There are many logical arguments for it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
An appeal to emotion is the antithesis of reason.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I hope you realize you just proved my point. The same logical argument could be made for anything you could possibly conceive..example: I think there is an invisible intangible bug in my living room. Surely because I believe it, it must be true.

I don't believe in god and I'm happy..well like it or not you will more than likely just be dead lying on the ground. Fear of death is natural, obviously people would create delusions to suppress it.

How did I prove your point?

I don't know if I believe in a G-d. I definitely don't believe in any G-ds that people worship today, but there may be some form of G-d being. It's not really something you can disprove unless you can die, and come back to life at will. It's not like Santa, which you can say ok he lives in the North Pole. Then you travel there and realize it was all a lie ( 😂 bad prank from parent) I think that G-ds people worship today will always be debatable, unless hard evidence is found against them. Maybe a note found in a cave from Noah or something, saying how he made the whole thing up for order. I do find it strange how ancient religions are similar, and they always seem to have 12 major G-ds! Like the Sumerians and Greeks.

How can you believe in made up gods instead of the real one?The fake ones have no evidence that they are real.

Well if you are directing that to me, I believe that there may be some form of G-d, but the Christian G-d just doesn't add up to me. Whenever you ask questions church members usually give you a bogus answer. It's G-d's plan, don't question the L-rd. I asked why G-d doesn't talk to us, and they said because G-d's voice is so powerful that it hurts our ears, yet people in ancient time seemed to have G-d talk to them in the open, like through the burning bush, and clouds. It just seems like something made up, that you're not supposed to question. IF we do have a G-d I don't think he would get involved in our lives, or if He did I believe that he would keep doing it. Christians also edited their Bible down drastically because people wouldn’t believe some of the stories, and they acquired pagan holidays to get more people to join. If I had a real religion I would keep all texts, and not give preaching that can't be questioned. El, Yahweh, G-d, started off as the Father of the G-ds, and then suddenly he's the only G-d? I'm sorry but he has had more changes done to himself than Michael Jackson, if you believe he had two plastic surgeries then you can keep to your beliefs. One question, what happened to all the other G-ds that the L-rd commanded?

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Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
How can you believe in made up gods instead of the real one?The fake ones have no evidence that they are real.

There is no evidence for any god period..santa and jesus are no different because each require blind faith which means anyone can believe in them. Same goes for say...elvis presley. If someone said he was still alive I wouldn't take them seriously unless they could prove that was true. That also answers the other post.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
There is no evidence for any god period..santa and jesus are no different because each require blind faith which means anyone can believe in them. Same goes for say...elvis presley. If someone said he was still alive I wouldn't take them seriously unless they could prove that was true. That also answers the other post.

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