Originally posted by TacDavey
Well, look into it or don't. Makes little difference to me.I don't see where any of that is true. Point it out to me.
I don't see it as an absurd belief at all. There are many logical arguments for it.
I have looked into it, I have heard his debates, which is why I find it disappointing you mention him as a top mind. The only thing he has going for him is his use of the English language. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I have looked into it, I have heard his debates, which is why I find it disappointing you mention him as a top mind. The only thing he has going for him is his use of the English language. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric.
I don't see it as rhetoric at all. It seems pretty logically sound if you ask me. At any rate, this conversation will get us no where. If his arguments are all rubbish, you should have no problem refuting them should I bring any of them up at any point, so we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I don't see where any of that is true. Point it out to me.
It is thoroughly explained in the "Cosmological Kalamity" by Dan Barker.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I don't see it as an absurd belief at all. There are many logical arguments for it.
Yet there is not a single one that can withstand the least amount of scrutiny.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is thoroughly explained in the "Cosmological Kalamity" by Dan Barker.
Well that doesn't do me any good here and now.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yet there is not a single one that can withstand the least amount of scrutiny.
And again I disagree. We can keep this up as long as you like.
Originally posted by Darth Piggott
Well if you are directing that to me, I believe that there may be some form of G-d, but the Christian G-d just doesn't add up to me. Whenever you ask questions church members usually give you a bogus answer. It's G-d's plan, don't question the L-rd. I asked why G-d doesn't talk to us, and they said because G-d's voice is so powerful that it hurts our ears, yet people in ancient time seemed to have G-d talk to them in the open, like through the burning bush, and clouds. It just seems like something made up, that you're not supposed to question. IF we do have a G-d I don't think he would get involved in our lives, or if He did I believe that he would keep doing it. Christians also edited their Bible down drastically because people wouldn’t believe some of the stories, and they acquired pagan holidays to get more people to join. If I had a real religion I would keep all texts, and not give preaching that can't be questioned. El, Yahweh, G-d, started off as the Father of the G-ds, and then suddenly he's the only G-d? I'm sorry but he has had more changes done to himself than Michael Jackson, if you believe he had two plastic surgeries then you can keep to your beliefs. One question, what happened to all the other G-ds that the L-rd commanded?
Why are you not adding the O to God and Lord?And I was directing it to someone else but thats fine.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
There is no evidence for any god period..santa and jesus are no different because each require blind faith which means anyone can believe in them. Same goes for say...elvis presley. If someone said he was still alive I wouldn't take them seriously unless they could prove that was true. That also answers the other post.
There is alot of poof but alot of people who choose not to believe in him chooses to also be blinded when it happens.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediY'know, the last time I think I saw that being done was back in Hebrew school, where, typically, students were taught this as a show of respect and reverence (kind of a watered down, literary version of "Thou shalt not gaze upon the Face of God"😉. But Darth Piggott may have his own reasons.
Why are you not adding the O to God and Lord?
Originally posted by Mindship
Y'know, the last time I think I saw that being done was back in Hebrew school, where, typically, students were taught this as a show of respect and reverence (kind of a watered down, literary version of "Thou shalt not gaze upon the Face of God"😉. But Darth Piggott may have his own reasons.
Interesting that they did that in hebrew school but he most likly does have his own reason I was just wondering why and why other people don't captial the G for God?
Originally posted by ~JP~
I like to know what this thread is doing in the GDF? This goes in the philosophy section with the other 478 of them. That way people like me who avoid discussion religion on forum boards can avoid looking at them.
That explains why you went out of your way to read and post replies in a religious thread.
That's awesome.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediProbably the same reason "i" (as in "I"😉 is often not capitalized, or first words in a sentence: it's quicker/easier to skip the Shift key. And perhaps, for "god," it's also a way of treating it like any other word.
Interesting that they did that in hebrew school but he most likly does have his own reason I was just wondering why and why other people don't captial the G for God?
The subject of god is very fascinating to me, because so many arguments and theories can be expressed as to why he does or does not exist.
I think the most common problem with the term "god" is that people think of god as a human being like the rest of us.
I look at things like this. Most people wake up in the morning with the ground underneath them, and the sky above them. They live in pretty much a "box" like world, without stopping to think of the incredible realities of the universe we live in.
1....We are floating on a giant ball that circles another giant ball based on an invisible force we can't see. Earth is surrounded by over a trillion stars in this single galaxy alone, and science has found that over 100 billion galaxies exist, each containing trillions of stars. When you stop and think about it...the universe is so massive that the human mind can't even stop to comprehend all of it....and the odds of us being the only intelligent life to exist are so slim, that the belief in other living life forms out there shouldn't be all that hard to imagine. It is also amazing to stop and think......what programed all these creatures to have two eyes, to arms, two legs, or 4 legs....to breath, eat, sleep, to have a functioning brain...to hear....smell etc....and all of them to live on this floating ball in the middle of an infinite amount of space. How come dinosaurs were once the dominant race on Earth...and now it is possessed by human beings at the top of the hiearchy? Humans have two eyes, much like dinosuars had two eyes.....so something obviously created these different types of species that look different, but essentially function the same way, with eyes, ears, mouths, and brains. What first created fire, water, ice, and what was it that created that, that created the first atom....and based on the force that created that first atom....what created that force and so on? You can keep breaking it down to the point where it's impossible to answer. 🙂
Whether you believe in god or not....everytime I watch this 6 minute video, I get chills down my spine at just how incredibly huge the size of the universe we live in is....and I encourage all of you to watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUXXPaccB8&feature=related
Bottom line, do I believe in god? I do. Like most everything on earth has some creator.....the universe is so vast, and so complex, that I can't imagine it not having some true intelligent force behind it all.
But to each their own, you all have to formulate your own opinions. 😉
Originally posted by Sith Master X
Like most everything on earth has some creator.....
The vast majority of things on Earth were not deliberately created. In fact the most complex things that exist on the planet are probably the proteins in your body, all of which form and reform constantly without any intelligence guiding them.
Food for thought.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The vast majority of things on Earth were not deliberately created. In fact the most complex things that exist on the planet are probably the proteins in your body, all of which form and reform constantly without any intelligence guiding them.Food for thought.
But how can we be sure those things aren't guided? 😉 DNA is information encoded into genetical material that provide the body everything it needs to know, similarly to how computer's are coded using a bunch of 0's and 1's.
In terms of things being created on earth....I look at that in terms of pretty much everything you use being created by man. Computers, cars, phones, trains, planes, boats, buildings, houses, tv's, etc and much more....all created by man. So perhaps it's not so far fetched to believe that some other intelligent force, created us along with the universe.
Some people say "god didn't create us.....we evolved." Maybe so, but what did we evolve from, and what created that? Did god create apes? "No, creatures evolved from bacteria." What created bacteria? "Natural causes created bacteria"....and what just so happened to influence natural causes? How did natural causes form from nothing? If everything had a beginning, then it essential at some point, never existed...something somewhere had to influence the first thing ever to exist. Then again, maybe everything "always" existed. Though that seems kind of hard to believe as well. Perhaps everything set in motion was a plan guided by some form of intelligence that allows our universe to operate under a bunch of set laws. (for example, planets rotating around the sun, is order, a gravitational law.) If there was no intelligence behind that law.....then perhaps the stars and planets would just endlessly float off in all different directions without orbiting one another as is the case with our solar system.
Was it all just an accident? Well perhaps, but it can never be proven that it was an accident, nor can it be disproven. That's the beauty of science....it creates explanations based on theories, but as human beings, we won't be able to prove science as 100 percent correct.