You probably disagree because you don't understand his writingwhy is it when peole have a diffrent opinion about something it is always you probably dont understand.
Well, explain to me his poemyou really didnt get what I said then, why dont people let the stuff written be just what it is, why does it always have to be "decheipered", cause unless someone talked to the writer and he said that what I worte aint actually what it means then..................
In a verbal exam in Norwegian literature I was asked about what Ibsen might have ment with a sentence in his play "A Doll`s House", my reply was just what Ibsen worte. The teacher said no thats not correct, to which I replied "How do you know exactly what Ibsen ment when he wrote what he did? You assume that he ment something else which can be right, I assume he ment just what he wrote and thats why he wrote it"
Originally posted by Philosophicus
What don't you understand, Storm? When I suffer from a delusion, it is outside of my control, I don't choose to suffer from it, it is forced upon me in that sense - it acts on me without my consent, choice and without me being able to exercise control over it. It's not forced upon me by someone else, but it's a mental condition which I don't want to allow to rule me, but still it exercises its force on me. How much clearer do I have to make it?
In the most recent Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a delusion is defined as:
A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture.
So, you thinking being a genius is forced upon you without your consent and choice.
Originally posted by finti
you really didnt get what I said then, why dont people let the stuff written be just what it is, why does it always have to be "decheipered", cause unless someone talked to the writer and he said that what I worte aint actually what it means then..................In a verbal exam in Norwegian literature I was asked about what Ibsen might have ment with a sentence in his play "A Doll`s House", my reply was just what Ibsen worte. The teacher said no thats not correct, to which I replied "How do you know exactly what Ibsen ment when he wrote what he did? You assume that he ment something else which can be right, I assume he ment just what he wrote and thats why he wrote it"
I know what you mean, but really, I don't understand Shakespeare's poem I mentioned. I always argued with my idiotic english teacher about the same stuff you talk about. It's still a problem - the writer does mean something when he writes, but we as readers can interpret it in different ways. Still, if you say he meant just what he wrote, but you don't have a clue what he wrote, then that's still a problem.
But then again, I can say the same about the stuff I wrote - I just meant what I wrote, if people don't understand it, then I can't deceipher it - as you say.
I'm sorry, but Shakespear was an enormous genius of literature! You probably disagree because you don't understand his writing. He only wrote for those who can appreciate the complexity of the human character and for those with highly intelligent minds.
Actually Shakespeare wrote for the common man and many of his writings were considered to bawdy for the elite thinkers of the day.
Originally posted by Storm
And still you fail in giving me an exact example of one of your delusions.In the most recent Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a delusion is defined as:
A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture.
So, you thinking being a genius is forced upon you without your consent and choice.
God! you're annoying. Why do you always pull out a dictionary definition, or a manual, or a scientific reference to try and prove your point? Can't you think for yourself? I think you're just criticising me because you can't come up with your own ideas...so now you're seeking flaws in mine.
Be fair, make a statement and then stand to be criticised yourself!
You say: "So, you thinking being a genius is forced upon you without your consent and choice." Sorry Storm, that's your pathetic opinion which doesn't matter to me.
What storm does is completley fair. By pulling "out a dictionary definition, or a manual, or a scientific reference" to try and prove her point she is not showing lack of an ability to think for hesrelf. She is trying to make you take responsibility for the words or phrases that you use.
I have done it on many occasions where people use a word in an improper context or when people actully look like they have no idea what they are talking about.
By saying, "So, you thinking being a genius is forced upon you without your consent and choice." She is just extrapolating on your explanations. If you can't take it then don't throw it out there. Do you dismiss her because she challenges you? Don't dismiss others arguements so easily, cause your opinion could mean just as little to others as hers does to you. You are acting not like a genius, but a defensive close minded fool.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
What storm does is completley fair. By pulling "out a dictionary definition, or a manual, or a scientific reference" to try and prove her point she is not showing lack of an ability to think for hesrelf. She is trying to make you take responsibility for the words or phrases that you use.I have done it on many occasions where people use a word in an improper context or when people actully look like they have no idea what they are talking about.
By saying, "So, you thinking being a genius is forced upon you without your consent and choice." She is just extrapolating on your explanations. If you can't take it then don't throw it out there. Do you dismiss her because she challenges you? Don't dismiss others arguements so easily, cause your opinion could mean just as little to others as hers does to you. You are acting not like a genius, but a defensive close minded fool.
"One should not be intimidated, but gain interest in it" This is my own quote on learning....