The Devil

Started by debbiejo6 pages
Originally posted by KPrince
You are very, very right about Hell. I do not believe in Hell as a place of torment, it is Sheol--the grave. When a person dies, they are buried, they do not remember anything or think anything. "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4

It's also in scripture "The spirit returns to god who gave it"....and since we are all energy and energy can not be distroyed ever , we all return to our source....THAT MEANS EVERYONE... 😄

Originally posted by debbiejo
It's also in scripture "The spirit returns to god who gave it"....and since we are all energy and energy can not be distroyed ever , we all return to our source....THAT MEANS EVERYONE... 😄

Yes. The spirit does return to God who gave it, but also notice this, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:12

And also this scripture, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." Revelation 20:13

Revelation is only a symbolic book...and it was taken out of the cannon of scripture at least 4 times...It wasn't even included...The Catholic Bible also has other book not included in the protestant book....

Originally posted by debbiejo
Revelation is only a symbolic book...and it was taken out of the cannon of scripture at least 4 times...It wasn't even included...The Catholic Bible also has other book not included in the protestant book....

Well notice this scripture, also from Revelation pertaining to removing scripture from the Bible, " For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

Check this link out for the origin of the bible....

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

and again, Revelation is only symbolic...they don't even know what John wrote it...

Also are all the people who never heard the name Jesus in hell, or dead forever since you don't believe in the burning hell?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Check this link out for the origin of the bible....

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

and again, Revelation is only symbolic...they don't even know what John wrote it...

Also are all the people who never heard the name Jesus in hell, or dead forever since you don't believe in the burning hell?

Those who have died are in hell--the grave. No. They are not dead forever.

And the people who never heard of Jesus?

Originally posted by debbiejo
And the people who never heard of Jesus?

They will be given the chance to know God.

Where in scripture does it say that?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Where in scripture does it say that?

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" Ephesians 3:9

'And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious" Isaiah 11:10

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with MEN, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." Revelation 21:3

What scripture is that from...can you find it so I can read it in context?

Originally posted by debbiejo
What scripture is that from...can you find it so I can read it in context?

Sorry, I edited my post, it's just above your last one. 😉

Originally posted by KPrince
"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" Ephesians 3:9

'And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious" Isaiah 11:10

"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with MEN, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God." Revelation 21:3

Paul was a gnostic if you read all the gnostic Paul's writings...the "The Mystery of Christ" is the living presents of god in a persons heart...Not taught as a real person, and was edited in later on by the Roman Catholic church....In the works of the Historian Josephus, there was not person named Jesus who was god, but probably taught about god, not god himself.. ...."Christ" meant a living knowledge of god..also called the " Inner Mysteries"...

You quoted Rev., which is symbolic again.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul was a gnostic if you read all the gnostic Paul's writings...the "The Mystery of Christ" is the living presents of god in a persons heart...Not taught as a real person, and was edited in later on by the Roman Catholic church....In the works of the Historian Josephus, there was not person named Jesus who was god, but probably taught about god, not god himself.. ...."Christ" meant a living knowledge of god..also called the " Inner Mysteries"...

You quoted Rev., which is symbolic again.

"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ." I Corinthians 1:1-3

Paul believed there was a person called Jesus Christ our Lord, and God our Father.

If you go back and read, I said that it wasn't taught that Jesus was god...that there could of been a person...and at that time, using the name "Lord" was quite common....The Gnostic's consider Paul a pillar of their faith, why?...because he taught the "Inner Mysteries" of Christ...The Roman Catholic church mad him deity in one of their councils around 324 AD....there was a vote taken at that time...before that it had been in question.

Originally posted by debbiejo
If you go back and read, I said that it wasn't taught that Jesus was god...that there could of been a person...and at that time, using the name "Lord" was quite common....The Gnostic's consider Paul a pillar of their faith, why?...because he taught the "Inner Mysteries" of Christ...The Roman Catholic church mad him deity in one of their councils around 324 AD....there was a vote taken at that time...before that it had been in question.

"For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;" Hebrews 7:1

"Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec" Hebrews 6:20

"And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God." Genesis 14:18

"To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" Hebrews 7:2

"Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." John 8:23

All of these indicate that Jesus is God, not God the Father, but the Son of God.

You can't compare the OT, it is a Jewish religion that also has some similarities with other mythical stories to the NT....the Hebrews scripture is Paul again, and as I've said Pauls writings were all taken out of their context...If you pick up and read more of Pauls gnostic writings, you'll see what he was really trying to say, and how the Roman Catholic changed the meanings..

Eusbuis (sp) I think, was the Bishop who did did the editing of the scriptures for Constantine...All the scripture that were around the Mediterranean area were collected...over 100 different texts...out of these only 4 gospels were chosen....If you look at the other Gospels, which I've look at many, including the Gnostic's, you'll see how and why they were manipulated....Why were these certain 4 used....and Paul is in another class by himself....what is written by him contradicts the OT god, and many words of Jesus....

Originally posted by debbiejo
You can't compare the OT, it is a Jewish religion that also has some similarities with other mythical stories to the NT....the Hebrews scripture is Paul again, and as I've said Pauls writings were all taken out of their context...If you pick up and read more of Pauls gnostic writings, you'll see what he was really trying to say, and how the Roman Catholic changed the meanings..

Eusbuis (sp) I think, was the Bishop who did did the editing of the scriptures for Constantine...All the scripture that were around the Mediterranean area were collected...over 100 different texts...out of these only 4 gospels were chosen....If you look at the other Gospels, which I've look at many, including the Gnostic's, you'll see how and why they were manipulated....Why were these certain 4 used....and Paul is in another class by himself....what is written by him contradicts the OT god, and many words of Jesus....

Consider this, "Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection." Acts 17:18

"Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." Acts 17:22-28

Paul spoke of Jesus and the Resurrection, as well as confirmed Genesis in the OT and God.

Jesus also said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-20

Jesus spoke of the laws stated in the OT, which are also in the Jewish Torah.

Paul was certainly a Gnostic in his teachings which the church tried to burn and destroy....This secret gnosis emphasized spiritual "resurrection" (i.e,. spiritual rebirth) and physical "resurrection" (i.e., reincarnation) as opposed to a resurrection defined as people sleeping in their graves until it is time their corpses to crawl out of their graves at the last day. Christian Gnostics held the view that if spiritual resurrection was not attained in one lifetime, then the soul would be subjected to as many reincarnations as it takes until spiritual rebirth is attained.

One of the great Church leaders was Clement of Alexandria in Egypt (150-211 A.D.) who indicated that he possessed the secret teaching handed down from the apostles.

In the Gnostic text entitled The Secret Gospel of Mark, one of the Christian Gnostic texts discovered in 1945, describes Jesus performing secret initiation rituals. Before the discovery of this secret gospel, our only knowledge of it came from a letter written by Clement. Clement quotes from this secret gospel and refers to it as, "a more spiritual gospel for the use of those who were being perfected." He also states, "It even yet is most carefully guarded [by the church at Alexandria], being read only to those who are being initiated into the great mysteries." Clement mentions elsewhere that Jesus revealed a secret teaching to those who were "capable of receiving it and being molded by it" He also affirmed that, "The gnosis (secret knowledge) itself is that which has descended by transmission to a few, having been imparted unwritten by the apostles." (Miscell. Book VI, Chapter 7)

The existence of a secret teaching can be found in the New Testament:

“The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding…’” (Mark 4:11-12)

"He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance." (Matt. 13:11-12)

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 Cor. 2:6-8)

"So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God." (1 Cor. 4:1)

"At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." (Matt. 11:25-26)

Paul wrote about teachings which are taught to spiritual "babies," teachings about righteousness for the more mature, and then teachings for the spiritually mature. Paul reveals this fact immediately after equating Melchizedek to Jesus by stating:
"We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. (Heb. 5:11-14)According to tradition, after the Roman invasion of Jerusalem, the author of the Gospel of Mark established a church in Alexandria, Egypt. Mark may also have been the author of a "secret gospel" containing more advanced teaching for those being initiated into the Christian mysteries. This secret gospel contains passages portraying Jesus teaching secret doctrines.