Pre-Crisis Superman vs. Post-Heroes Reborn Savage Hulk

Dark where do you get your information? There is no DC strength level chart.

they don't need one, supes' achievements speak for themselves...

Post-Superman's peak is million tons, he has lifted Mount Rushmore once, I think...

Of course, you may be right...I think my source is not an completely official. But I am sure that he starts stronger then Hulk.

AND besides this is Pre-Crisis, we are talking about. His strenght level is probably something like 100000000000000000000 tonnes.

supessucks: I can't take your argument seriously seeing as it is rooted with your hate and disdain for one opposing character...

Like DarkCrawler says, Supes is more versatile, his power at "base level" far exceeds that of the hulk's "base level" and he doesn't have to be pissed and raging with his strength but rather he's still calm, passive and calculate ole' Superman..Now with all that in mind common logic should come to call, a far more stronger(at base level) Superman with the ability of flight, heat-vision, X-ray vision, super-speed vs an "potentially infinite" powered opponent who can't even fly..

And his super-speed doesn't have to require him running, he can dart from one fixed point to another faster than the human eye can register, and a whole lot faster than the hulk's oncoming blow..(i.e. he can dart from Hulk's blow only to appear behind him to deliver a hard blow into his back..)

Yeah I know.

Originally posted by pr1983

most don't actually. if you want scientifically sound watch star trek.

most comics have bogus feats, it comes with the territory...

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
supessucks: I can't take your argument seriously seeing as it is rooted with your hate and disdain for one opposing character...

I don't hate superman, he is a fictional character. My username represents my disdain for fanboys and fanatical ignorance.

Can you show me a site or any other form of media that displays superman's base strength?

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ

And his super-speed doesn't have to require him running, he can dart from one fixed point to another faster than the human eye can register, and a whole lot faster than the hulk's oncoming blow..(i.e. he can dart from Hulk's blow only to appear behind him to deliver a hard blow into his back..)

Speed isn't everything, If so Flash and Quicksilver would destroy everyone. Post-Heros Reborn Hulk is in fact more intelligent than Superman. He would strategize the fight, not stumble about throwing haymakers..

Can you show me a site or any other form of media that displays superman's base strength?

how many precrisis superman comics have you read? honestly?

supessucks: http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html

dc has no known form of strength charts the likes of Marvel and why?? because they don't want a known limit to the strength of their heroes thus making them look stronger than Marvel, they use their "feats" of strength to show the audience..

You say speed isn't everything because of guys like Flash and Quicksilver is a very "weak" comeback..Since when do "they" move moons, punch asteroids in two, have heat vision, invulnerability?..You can't compare them to the likes of Superman they are indeed "One-dimensional" supes is not...My point wasn't that Supes speed was all he needed but his speed +his other powers combined..And btw Supes is just as strategic as hulk, just with more to work with...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Of course, you may be right...I think my source is not an completely official. But I am sure that he starts stronger then Hulk.

AND besides this is Pre-Crisis, we are talking about. His strenght level is probably something like 100000000000000000000 tonnes.

I am stating purely fact. Hulk's strength level is not my opinion, it is posted on Marvel web sites. Superman's strength level is never stated and inconsistant.

SarKastic,

I asked for a DC website, and you lead me to a Fansite. I could create a fansite that said Hulk can lift one million tons at base strength, but Marvel says otherwise. Superman's fans can place his strength wherever they want. It is not the official word of the writers.

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
supessucks: http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/superman/superman.html

dc has no known form of strength charts the likes of Marvel and why?? because they don't want a known limit to the strength of their heroes thus making them look stronger than Marvel, they use their "feats" of strength to show the audience..

You say speed isn't everything because of guys like Flash and Quicksilver is a very "weak" comeback..Since when do "they" move moons, punch asteroids in two, have heat vision, invulnerability?..You can't compare them to the likes of Superman they are indeed "One-dimensional" supes is not...My point wasn't that Supes speed was all he needed but his speed +his other powers combined..And btw Supes is just as strategic as hulk, just with more to work with...

Last time I checked Superman wasn't a genius.

Hulk has performed feats of greater strength than Superman.

Brainiac and Brainiac2000 we're geniuses, he beats them on a daily basis, his logic applied with his power has proved him the victor many times over...so whats your point??

like what supessucks?

He destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth, a feat that was pushing it on my illogical bullshit meter.

SarKastic,

Braniac nor Braniac 2000 were as strong or as fast as Hulk. They were computer programs. An antivirus program could do the same.