Originally posted by supessucks
I was wrong when I titled this post, Pre-crisis Superman could have any power he wanted to have. Hulk would not be a fair match for him. I meant post-crisis Superman. I don't understand the joke at the end of the post, manjaro, but you have a point.
when you turn the lights on roaches scatter..........get it? hulk's skull shattering in a million pieces as if the lights just came on?..........get it ?
as far as STR is concerned. if you remeber the re-vamped superman in the 80's. the man of steel series/i guess this would be the official post crisis supes. when lex luthor staged a terrorist attack on his cruise ship to bait supes out, after dispacthing the bad guys pretty swiftly, he liftted the ocean liner right out of the water and brought it to saftey. he even commented that as he's discvering his new powers he finds that his lifting things is a matter of will power rather than brute strentgh(it's almost verbatum to what he remarked) in fact, its explained as sort of self telekinesis.
TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE
Just this MID SIZE cruise ship is 48,000 tons. and the one he lifted in the comic was at least 3 times the size of this one, and he balanced it on one shoulder and arm. this leads me to believe that superman is indeed stronger than hulk. heck! even super boy lifted an entire palace when he was in young justice. plus ive been reading on tons of web pages over the years that supes starts out at about 40,000 tons. in fact, some web-sites that were lifted staright from card games lists him as lifting milllions of tons at his peak
Re: TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE
Originally posted by manjaro
Just this MID SIZE cruise ship is 48,000 tons. and the one he lifted in the comic was at least 3 times the size of this one, and he balanced it on one shoulder and arm. this leads me to believe that superman is indeed stronger than hulk. heck! even super boy lifted an entire palace when he was in young justice. plus ive been reading on tons of web pages over the years that supes starts out at about 40,000 tons. in fact, some web-sites that were lifted staright from card games lists him as lifting milllions of tons at his peak
If Superman started out at a 40,000 ton maximum his strength would not be sufficient to lift such a ship, as his strength does not increase. His strength must be greater than 40,000 tons. Hulk could easily lift a Ship that size. He has lifted far heavier objects. As I have previously stated that during the secret Wars, Savage Hulk carried a 150,000,000,000 (15 billion) ton mountain, under earth's gravity. He has pulverized an asteroid twice the size of earth (its weight is incalculable). Hulk destroyed Onslaught when the rest of Earth's heroes combined couldn't scratch his armor. According to Marvel writers, Hulk does not have class 100 strength. His power is far greater, and unlike superman, Hulk doesn't have a peak. In the crossover Hulk launched pre-crisis Superman out of Metropolis, and tackled him through a building, so Hulk's strength is sufficient to damage pre-crisis Superman. It is obvious by comparing physiques, that Superman's strength is not primarily muscular, but is rather energy based. However you shouldn't go to fansites for data. Only use the official site and comics to prove your points, as a fansite will mislead you.
supesucks: did you see the image of Superman simply standing up to a hulk blow??
Supes is just too darn versatile, yeah the hulk did some surprising feats of strength but strength alone doesn't declare victory..Brains apllied with logic and intellect almost "always" reigns supreme...Yeah, the hulk balanced a mountain, so what, albet doomsday or Darkseid could do the same..Now on strength alone hulk might have the slight edge as his power rises the more enraged he is, but his thinkability(created word) is at an all time low..He becomes supremely blinded by his own rage, supes would take advantage, too much to work with and is depcited to be "perfect" in every aspect, the hulk's going to have to do more than Hulk SMASH!! to beat Kal-EL...Hell if Supes loses to a mindless beast despite all his abilities and intellect then I'd lose all respect for the writers..
OJ: Did you see the image of Hulk knocking (pre-crisis)Superman out of Metropolis, or him tackling Superman through a building? That was a crossover anyway, they are irrelevent.
My point Exactly OJ, you will see that I stated almost exactly what you did later in the post. Hulk could become much stronger than Superman, but this is not enough to ensure his victory. However, If Darksied or Doomsday, could do the same as Hulk, they never have displayed this degree of power. And remember, Doomsday and Superman killed each other.
Not all of the Hulk's incarnations are stupid. Most people dont know who Post-Heroes Reborn Hulk is. After Hulk defeated Onslaught, he ascended to a new power level; he got bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter. That is the Hulk in current comics. Most people are thinking about the Hulk in the old comics. Post Hero's Reborn Professor Hulk was actually a genius (He absorbed Bruce Banners intellect, but still referred to himself as Hulk.) Hulk does still stand a Fighting chance against post-crisis superman.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
OJ: Did you see the image of Hulk knocking (pre-crisis)Superman out of Metropolis, or him tackling Superman through a building? That was a crossover anyway, they are irrelevent.My point Exactly OJ, you will see that I stated almost exactly what you did later in the post. Hulk could become much stronger than Superman, but this is not enough to ensure his victory. However, If Darksied or Doomsday, could do the same as Hulk, they never have displayed this degree of power. And remember, Doomsday and Superman killed each other.
Not all of the Hulk's incarnations are stupid. Most people dont know who Post-Heroes Reborn Hulk is. After Hulk defeated Onslaught, he ascended to a new power level; he got bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter. That is the Hulk in current comics. Most people are thinking about the Hulk in the old comics. Post Hero's Reborn Professor Hulk was actually a genius (He absorbed Bruce Banners intellect, but still referred to himself as Hulk.) Hulk does still stand a Fighting chance against post-crisis superman.
I saw him get knocked out of Metropolis, and he came back a little annoyed, just to let Hulk wail on him without budging. But anyways...
True, Hulk COULD surpass Superman's strength, but just how much stronger would he have to get? And would it matter in the end? ANd, although Doomsday was inspired by Hulk, they are two different characters entirely, with different abilities. And I wouldn't even try comparing Hulk to Darkseid.
And, the incarnation I believe you're refering to is Professor Hulk, who was around before Onslaught., and he has even less of a chance against Superman than Savage Hulk, especially Pre-Crisis Supes. He starts off stronger, but has more trouble getting stronger because of his intellect, and sometimes his cockiness. True, Hulk does stand a chance against Post-Crisis Superman, but then again there's already a thread for that.
Re: Pre-Crisis Superman vs. Post-Heroes Reborn Savage Hulk
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman would be crushed by the Hulk. Superman, or any other DC superhero, has no strength level chart, and he has never shown an act of strength greater than that of the Hulk (Please do NOT give me the moving the moon argument. Superman did not have the force of gravity, or any force resisting him when he moved it. Hulk shattered an asteroid twice the size of the earth in space with a punch.) It is then safe to assume that Hulk is stronger than Superman.Superman would get crushed. Superman draws his energy from the sun. Hulk could pummel him through the earth's crust, there he couldn't absorb any solar energy. Then, Hulk would commence beating the daylights out of him, similar to the manner in which Darksied did.
People often underestimate Hulk's speed, strength, durability, and battle cunning. Hulk isn't nearly as fast as Superman, nor can he fly. (Note: Superman can NOT, I repeat, can NOT move at the speed of light! He can only fly, not run, slightly faster than the speed of sound.) However he is certainly not slow by any means. Hulk can run much faster than any sort of automobile and has a jumping ability greater than anyone; He can leap into space in a single bound.
Hulk is also insanely strong. His strength is limitless, thus there is nothing that he cannot destroy, Superman included. During the Secret Wars, Hulk carried a 150,000,000,000 ton mountain. Superman has never displayed a feat of such strength. May I remind you, this was not his limit of strength, as there is no upper limit to his might.
Hulk's regeneration factor is greater than anyone in the Marvel universe, including Wolverine. He once regenerated from a virtual skeleton in minutes. Even if Superman wanted to kill (or was capable of killing) Hulk, it would be impossible to do so.
Hulk has no weaknesses for Superman to exploit (his only weakness being his mind and gullibility). Superman has three very exploitable weaknesses, Kryptonite, Magic, and deprivation of Sunlight. If Hulk can deprive Superman of sunlight, it's no contest. I understand that Superman is way more popular, but I'm talking about science.
Superman could never beat the Hulk with strength. His only chance would be to calm him down.
Re: Pre-Crisis Superman vs. Post-Heroes Reborn Savage Hulk
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman would be crushed by the Hulk. Superman, or any other DC superhero, has no strength level chart, and he has never shown an act of strength greater than that of the Hulk (Please do NOT give me the moving the moon argument. Superman did not have the force of gravity, or any force resisting him when he moved it. Hulk shattered an asteroid twice the size of the earth in space with a punch.) It is then safe to assume that Hulk is stronger than Superman.Superman would get crushed. Superman draws his energy from the sun. Hulk could pummel him through the earth's crust, there he couldn't absorb any solar energy. Then, Hulk would commence beating the daylights out of him, similar to the manner in which Darksied did.
People often underestimate Hulk's speed, strength, durability, and battle cunning. Hulk isn't nearly as fast as Superman, nor can he fly. (Note: Superman can NOT, I repeat, can NOT move at the speed of light! He can only fly, not run, slightly faster than the speed of sound.) However he is certainly not slow by any means. Hulk can run much faster than any sort of automobile and has a jumping ability greater than anyone; He can leap into space in a single bound.
Hulk is also insanely strong. His strength is limitless, thus there is nothing that he cannot destroy, Superman included. During the Secret Wars, Hulk carried a 150,000,000,000 ton mountain. Superman has never displayed a feat of such strength. May I remind you, this was not his limit of strength, as there is no upper limit to his might.
Hulk's regeneration factor is greater than anyone in the Marvel universe, including Wolverine. He once regenerated from a virtual skeleton in minutes. Even if Superman wanted to kill (or was capable of killing) Hulk, it would be impossible to do so.
Hulk has no weaknesses for Superman to exploit (his only weakness being his mind and gullibility). Superman has three very exploitable weaknesses, Kryptonite, Magic, and deprivation of Sunlight. If Hulk can deprive Superman of sunlight, it's no contest. I understand that Superman is way more popular, but I'm talking about science.
Superman could never beat the Hulk with strength. His only chance would be to calm him down.
This guy is good. I agree 100% with this post. : )